Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

[Smacktard]

Wish I had a claw with no reload time. I'm sure 3 of you would be donezo by now.

 

[TD]

I've got no opinions so far. A lot of strong personalities so far for sure

Yeah I know you're a wolf don't worry. You're next.

 

[Smacktard]

So if someone has a role that's on both lists, do you want them to say guaranteed or random?

Say it's guaranteed. They have no way of knowing whether it's random, right?

Edit: as in, they have no way of knowing whether they got the role from the random pool or not

 

[Local Hero]

Yeah I know you're a wolf don't worry. You're next.

 

[TD]

Coming for you.

 

[Jawneh]

Yeah I know you're a wolf don't worry. You're next.

Local's a wolf? Did a miss a feel?

 

[Local Hero]

@Zell 17

I vote @TD

For one, can't break tradition
For two... He's a meanie

 

[TD]

Local's a wolf? Did a miss a feel?

C'mon Joneh. We gotta get on our twinning game here.

 

[Kat]

Say it's guaranteed. They have no way of knowing whether it's random, right?

Edit: as in, they have no way of knowing whether they got the role from the random pool or not

So when we have six "proven" guaranteed identified and you start going after the rest because they're all lying wolves, but some people with "guaranteed" roles actually were random...?

 

[Local Hero]

Local's a wolf? Did a miss a feel?

 

[Smacktard]

So when we have six "proven" guaranteed identified and you start going after the rest because they're all lying wolves, but some people with "guaranteed" roles actually were random...?

This is a possibility, but it's the best shot we have. Hopefully when it gets to that point, we can better determine who to go after and if there are any double roles.

 

[Local Hero]

I'm going to go to bed (vote TD)

 

[Smacktard]

I'm going to go to bed (vote TD)

I'd rather vote for a wolf with powers than a werewolf fan

 

[Local Hero]

I'd rather vote for a wolf with powers than a werewolf fan

Did I miss something?

Let me rephrase, I missed something. Care to fill me in?

 

[Smacktard]

So when we have six "proven" guaranteed identified and you start going after the rest because they're all lying wolves, but some people with "guaranteed" roles actually were random...?

This is a possibility, but it's the best shot we have. Hopefully when it gets to that point, we can better determine who to go after and if there are any double roles.

Edited my post because I misread yours at first.

And anyway, grouping people this way forces the wolves to split themselves into two groups to protect themselves initially, which only makes it easier to find them eventually.

 

[Smacktard]

Did I miss something?

Let me rephrase, I missed something. Care to fill me in?

Shortkut's a wolf:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Random or guaranteed? Random, right? I'll probably be chilling in my own nice little corner before outing any information. I don't remember what game it was, but I vividly remember one game where it looked fairly bad for the town as the wolves were picking off all the guaranteed roles. I don't...

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TD is likely signalling he's a fan:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Random or guaranteed? Random, right? I'll probably be chilling in my own nice little corner before outing any information. I don't remember what game it was, but I vividly remember one game where it looked fairly bad for the town as the wolves were picking off all the guaranteed roles. I don't...

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[Cole]

It's really not that hard to figure out, Cole, but it requires that the town acts in good faith.

If someone claims guaranteed and is killed by confusion wolf, we can assume that that was a guaranteed townie, narrowing the list and placing more focus on the wolves. As soon as all guaranteed roles are proven/dead in some way, any wolves who claimed to be guaranteed would be outed and killed.

It helps the village home in on wolves, which is exactly why do many wolves right now are shitting themselves over it.

so then lay it out.

you didn't actually answer the question. how is YOUR role going to be authenticated

 

[Local Hero]

I don't exactly follow but
@Zell 17 I'll vote @shortkut for now.

I'm going to bed so I'll be interested to see what happen 7 hours from now. I honestly think Kelly's just excited for a day phase to start when he's awake lol

 

[Smacktard]

you didn't actually answer the question. how is YOUR role going to be authenticated

You'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out. And the beauty is: if I'm killed and confusion'd tonight, that just proves my role type is what I said it was, narrowing hiding places for wolves.

Also, I reckon wolves target players who have not claimed by this point, using the confusion wolf. So if you wanna stay alive, better start saying if you're guaranteed or random.

 

[Tubby23]

Local's a wolf? Did a miss a feel?

Can I cop a feel?

 

[Smacktard]

I don't exactly follow but

Basically TD suggested it's a good strategy for wolves to all claim random, then didn't claim a role type, then accused me of being a werewolf fan (projection) because "my" (his) idea would signal to the wolves a strategy (which it didn't, until HE broadcasted the strategy).

 

[Local Hero]

Basically TD suggested it's a good strategy for wolves to all claim random, then didn't claim a role type, then accused me of being a werewolf fan (projection) because "my" (his) idea would signal to the wolves a strategy (which it didn't, until HE broadcasted the strategy).

I'll read this again tomorrow. Sounds like a start but not for like...a good reason? Lol

 

[TD]

Basically TD suggested it's a good strategy for wolves to all claim random,

You say this like it hasn't been said every single game and that I'm bringing something new to the table.

Why haven't you voted Jon like I suggested? He is in your sus list after all. Right?

 

[shortkut]

Shortkut's a wolf:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Random or guaranteed? Random, right? I'll probably be chilling in my own nice little corner before outing any information. I don't remember what game it was, but I vividly remember one game where it looked fairly bad for the town as the wolves were picking off all the guaranteed roles. I don't...

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TD is likely signalling he's a fan:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Random or guaranteed? Random, right? I'll probably be chilling in my own nice little corner before outing any information. I don't remember what game it was, but I vividly remember one game where it looked fairly bad for the town as the wolves were picking off all the guaranteed roles. I don't...

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You’re a dumdum

 

[Smacktard]

Why haven't you voted Jon like I suggested? He is in your sus list after all. Right?

Because I know you to be more logical than this.

Especially if you're willing to imply that you know Jon's bad, you should be willing to commit to guaranteed/random.

 

[shortkut]

I’m the mad bomber

 

[Smacktard]

You’re a dumdum

Character attacks are the defense of the weak. If my logic is flawed, point it out instead.

 

[Kat]

This is a possibility, but it's the best shot we have. Hopefully when it gets to that point, we can better determine who to go after and if there are any double roles.

It's a possibility? Has there been any game where that hasn't happened? Idk man, this feels like an excuse to lynch townies. Wolves will probably claim random roles and then kill people who say they're guaranteed, especially if we follow your publicly announced plan, so it doesn't really help us narrow down anything and will instead cause us to waste time we don't have.

 

[TD]

Because I know you to be more logical than this.

Especially if you're willing to imply that you know Jon's bad, you should be willing to commit to guaranteed/random.

Why?

Cause you told me to?

 

[shortkut]

Character attacks are the defense of the weak. If my logic is flawed, point it out instead.

Others have already pointed it out and you’re either choosing to ignore it or you’re not understand. What’s the point in putting effort into a post that will amount to a waste of time?

 

[TD]

Kelly: Jon is #3 on my sus list.

Also Kelly: But I will not vote for him because Cole and TD are not going along with my strategy and therefore must be bad.

 

[shortkut]

Kelly is over here spitting out half-baked ideas and then when people explain why they are bad ideas, he turns around to say that everyone else is giving plans to the wolves. Bare minimum he’s a danger to the town

 

[Smacktard]

Why?

Cause you told me to?

No, because it's the smart move to make.

Idk man, this feels like an excuse to lynch townies. Wolves will probably claim random roles and then kill people who say they're guaranteed, especially if we follow your publicly announced plan,

Wat. If all wolves claim random roles, then already we've narrowed the list of people we need to look at by 6/16.

In other words, if only 6 people claim guaranteed, then that's all 6 guaranteed roles accounted for, meaning we lynch OUTSIDE of the guaranteed roles.

Idk man, this feels like an excuse to lynch townies.

it doesn't really help us narrow down anything and will instead cause us to waste time we don't have.

Literally the opposite, using your own logic above.

Whenever someone from the guaranteed/random claims gets killed (even if by confusion wolf), then that narrows the list down of who to lynch.

 

[Smacktard]

Others have already pointed it out and you’re either choosing to ignore it or you’re not understand. What’s the point in putting effort into a post that will amount to a waste of time?

No, others have used half-baked and illogical justifications that wolves would come up with to try to explain why they won't make the job of lynching easier for the town. Why? Because it's in wolves' interest that people don't do that, since they have a confusion wolf.

Also Kelly: But I will not vote for him because Cole and TD are not going along with my strategy and therefore must be bad.

If you think Jon is bad, that makes me think he's less likely to be bad.

 

[shortkut]

Wat. If all wolves claim random roles, then already we've narrowed the list of people we need to look at by 6/16.

This makes no sense. Let’s say 2 people claim guaranteed roles. That leaves 12 random. Which 6 did we narrow it down by? How do we know the 2 guaranteed roles aren’t wolves and the real guarantee roles aren’t hiding with the randoms to try to survive your cull?

 

[Smacktard]

This makes no sense. Let’s say 2 people claim guaranteed roles. That leaves 12 random. Which 6 did we narrow it down by? How do we know the 2 guaranteed roles aren’t wolves and the real guarantee roles aren’t hiding with the randoms to try to survive your cull?

That's why everyone in the town has to do it. It only works if the town behaves as, you know, a town. People refusing to identify as guaranteed/random only hurts the plan and the town itself.

I outlined all of this in my initial post.

 

[TD]

New thought: wolves hit #12 last night and already got the fan which would make it 6 wolves currently. Hence this aggressive narrative.

 

[Smacktard]

BTW that's why it's in the wolves' favor to sow JUST AS MUCH doubt about the plan as possible.

 

[shortkut]

I’m going to bed, but before I do time to start the bandwagon train. It started as a not serious vote, but with each post he makes, I think Kelly is detrimental to the town regardless of his role. All aboard! This is an express train bound for lynchville. Population: Kelly

 

[Smacktard]

New thought: wolves hit #12 last night and already got the fan which would make it 6 wolves currently. Hence this aggressive narrative.

Stop trying to make "fan" happen. It's NOT going to happen.

 

[Kat]

No, because it's the smart move to make.

Wat. If all wolves claim random roles, then already we've narrowed the list of people we need to look at by 6/16.


Literally the opposite, using your own logic above.

Whenever someone from the guaranteed/random claims gets killed (even if by confusion wolf), then that narrows the list down of who to lynch.

Not really. If some random townies have duplicate roles then both lists will be too long. Or worse, there's enough duplicates that the guaranteed list is more sus than the random list even though no/few wolves are on it. We'd have to split it into three groups (definitely guaranteed, definitely random, could be either) to know anything, and that'd tell the wolves who the marksman and ritualist are.

Unless you see some other way to tell between duplicate roles and people lying?

 

[Smacktard]

I’m going to bed, but before I do time to start the bandwagon train. It started as a not serious vote, but with each post he makes, I think Kelly is detrimental to the town regardless of his role. All aboard! This is an express train bound for lynchville. Population: Kelly

Anyone who reads this post should realize how ridiculous this sounds.

In a game where we're 10v6 and have a townie fighting in favor of the town, there's nothing logical about voting off someone who you believe to be town.

 

[shortkut]

That's why everyone in the town has to do it. It only works if the town behaves as, you know, a town. People refusing to identify as guaranteed/random only hurts the plan and the town itself.

I outlined all of this in my initial post.

The wolves are going to lie and the town needs to preserve themselves.

@Zell 17 can you save time and post everyone’s roles? Then we can have a competition to see how kills off the other side first. Do the wolves kill the ritualist or the tough guy first? Or do the start with the roles not worth protecting

 

[Cole]

You'll have to wait until tomorrow to find out. And the beauty is: if I'm killed and confusion'd tonight, that just proves my role type is what I said it was, narrowing hiding places for wolves.

Also, I reckon wolves target players who have not claimed by this point, using the confusion wolf. So if you wanna stay alive, better start saying if you're guaranteed or random.

why is it, th at every time someone in a wolf game lays out a grand plan involving forcing others to role claim, they're afraid to put their money where their mouth is.

why can't you just tell us right now?

 

[Jawneh]

Whenever someone from the guaranteed/random claims gets killed (even if by confusion wolf), then that narrows the list down of who to lynch.

I mean, that would also happen due to the fact that a person is dead. Unless we get some credible info from anyone on those lists, they all might as well be wolves.

 

[Tubby23]

Stop trying to make "fan" happen. It's NOT going to happen.

By this point it's almost stan

 

[Smacktard]

If some random townies have duplicate roles then both lists will be too long. Or worse, there's enough duplicates that the guaranteed list is more sus than the random list even though no/few wolves are on it

Yes, but as the game plays out and people drop off, we'll have a better idea of who *in each list* is lying. If we don't do this, confusion wolf does his thing and wolves have free reign to make claims, and then the game is basically lost for us.

We'd have to split it into three groups (definitely guaranteed, definitely random, could be either) to know anything, and that'd tell the wolves who the marksman and ritualist are.

I get where you're coming from, but that wouldn't be a good idea because ritualist and marksman are important roles. As the game develops, these roles will be revealed naturally, and help us home in on the wolves further.

 

[Jawneh]

New thought: wolves hit #12 last night and already got the fan which would make it 6 wolves currently. Hence this aggressive narrative.

Would this be better or worse than being a protection down? Probably better as night 1 would just be protecting loudmouth for all we know lol.

 

[Cole]

Kelly, TD raised a good point, well, sort of.

may be you ARE the fan. maybe you are being so aggressive because you wanna be checked. you'll read as good and let everyone think you're trust worthy.

then you claim an unverifiable role, (I'd choose librarian), and be pretty smooth sailing from there.

meanwhile, getting guaranteed roles to put themselves and be targets for wolf strike instead of you.

hell, potential berseker and you could set up a double kill.

 

[shortkut]

My top 3 suspects before I go to sleep: Kelly, local, Kat