I thought he meant that Raposa just wasn't the sorcerer. Thinking about it, it would make more sense if Raposa was the fan and was made into a double for sorcerer. Sorcerer would still have a good aura and could hide later into the game.
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Exploiting a situation that's occurred for another reason. You already know of course.
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to think a strategy is impossible because you wouldn't do it is a bit silly.
every single game I'm not in, I'll occasionally scan through. and every time my name is mentioned, it's usually in some "that's some Cole bullshit", some ridiculous plan that I would've done.
but I wasn't even in those games.
there are lots of good players here, players better than whoever any one thinks is the best, and you might never even know it.
if for some reason the wolves didn't think they could convincingly get a lynch today, why NOT play for the long run?
IF THEY HAVE THE FAN, they need one kill to win. that could've come from yesterday's lynch, last night's kill (if the witch hadn't successfully targeted one), why not play a longer game? they are STILL one kill away from winning if they have the fan.
I'd set up a play for today to convince you guys of a townie rather than risk exposing us to a forced push the previous day.
in fact, Tubby switched his vote VERY late, and at the time there were only 2 or 3 other people on Tommy (I was one of them) if the wolves wanted Tommy dead, why didn't they all just rapidly switch over and seal a lynch AND A FUCKING WIN? I'm not a wolf, they could have easily voted with me to kill Tommy. and it would have won the game *if Tommy was who he says*.
Raposa was either the fan caught, or the sorceror resigned, either way and mind you, by this point, the TOWN had already pretty much posted everyone's role but mine, a harmless wolf.
may be they needed to preserve Tommy's ability.
Tubby switched his vote off Repose and over to Tommy. there were 7 civilians and 6 wolves. all the wolves needed to do was align with ONE townie to get any kill they wanted. but they clearly chose to just kill Raposa.
some smartass (Kelly) is going to come in and say "well they had to not make it obvious, they couldn't just all vote for someone else". I had voted for Tommy, I'm not a wolf, 1 or 2 others already had, maybe both wolves? that still leaves 3 people (not counting raposa) who voted for raposa.
they didn't need to. not unless they *needed* to.
why? hello? is anyone there?
every single game I'm not in, I'll occasionally scan through. and every time my name is mentioned, it's usually in some "that's some Cole bullshit", some ridiculous plan that I would've done.
but I wasn't even in those games.
there are lots of good players here, players better than whoever any one thinks is the best, and you might never even know it.
if for some reason the wolves didn't think they could convincingly get a lynch today, why NOT play for the long run?
IF THEY HAVE THE FAN, they need one kill to win. that could've come from yesterday's lynch, last night's kill (if the witch hadn't successfully targeted one), why not play a longer game? they are STILL one kill away from winning if they have the fan.
I'd set up a play for today to convince you guys of a townie rather than risk exposing us to a forced push the previous day.
in fact, Tubby switched his vote VERY late, and at the time there were only 2 or 3 other people on Tommy (I was one of them) if the wolves wanted Tommy dead, why didn't they all just rapidly switch over and seal a lynch AND A FUCKING WIN? I'm not a wolf, they could have easily voted with me to kill Tommy. and it would have won the game *if Tommy was who he says*.
Raposa was either the fan caught, or the sorceror resigned, either way and mind you, by this point, the TOWN had already pretty much posted everyone's role but mine, a harmless wolf.
may be they needed to preserve Tommy's ability.
Tubby switched his vote off Repose and over to Tommy. there were 7 civilians and 6 wolves. all the wolves needed to do was align with ONE townie to get any kill they wanted. but they clearly chose to just kill Raposa.
some smartass (Kelly) is going to come in and say "well they had to not make it obvious, they couldn't just all vote for someone else". I had voted for Tommy, I'm not a wolf, 1 or 2 others already had, maybe both wolves? that still leaves 3 people (not counting raposa) who voted for raposa.
they didn't need to. not unless they *needed* to.
why? hello? is anyone there?
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Personally Kat is in my top 3 targets to lynch yes.
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I announced it myself!
So could the wolves, as Cole put it, be - Kit Kat Cole?
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For the bad joke or being suspicious of you?
the bad joke. do you think in care if you're suspicious of me?
everyone keeps saying shit like "Coles not himself. maybe it's the covid". it's not the covid. I don't know how to make it more clear I wasn't enjoying these games anymore. I didn't like the format, I didn't like the style, I didn't like the way people were treating each other about it. and I definitely didn't like always being the "center of attention" that made it nearly impossible to do anything without having to defend myself at the same time.
this time I'm taking a different approach. I'm basically doing what I do the times I don't play, but read, I criticize strategies, or analyze tells I spotted, I basically do play by play analysation to myself. this time I'm doing it in the thread.
YOU GUYS WANT THE TRUTH?
I don't even know what my role is. I never opened the PM from Zell. I know it's not wolf, because I know zell sends a group PM for wolves, and I don't have one. otherwise, with no fool and no random killer in this game, all I needed to know is that I'm pro town.
Kelly's plan from day 1, I still think it's misguided. but it wasn't as bad as I was making it out to be, but I couldn't answer because I don't know. it's still nothing I would've wanted to do, but I exaggerated it.
it's him trying to control the narrative and be the "leader" I take issue with.
there ya go. now you know everything I know.
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@Tommy Boy if you could be a sweetie and tell us your info before tucking yourself into bed that would be swell
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Everyone just stop for a moment. I checked Cole and he is evil. I don't think I need to prove myself anymore. It is 100%. We need to eliminate him no matter what he says to persuade you. He will pull out all stops. Don't fall for it.
Checked Cole, showed evil. No dispute.
Cole.
lol
I am not evil and I was hoping last night proved it beyond a doubt. Cole is evil and must be dealt with.
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That's what I was trying to tell Tubby!
I vote Cole. I don't see why you'd be lying.
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No, Alu pointed it out yesterday as well as Kelly. It's not desperation, you were going at me hardcore yesterday and siding for Raposa. You were trying to pick apart my logic without any logic of your own. This is not desperation, it is a solid read. How would you know anyway, you didn't even open your PM right?
Voting Cole.
as I said, I would know if I got a group wolf PM. I did not.
and that's great. we should definitely listen to the word of Kelly, who definitely has everyone's best interest at heart.
I sided with Raposa because I saw no guarantee he wasn't who he said he was, and I saw flaw in your story, even if it was faulty based on TD asking to be jailed.
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And I can't reasonably check Raposa for a read because it'll come back Good if he is the sorcerer, which I entirely believe. Why else would a force prevent him from dying? So you were the next logical choice to check. I planned on being here right at 11pm to prevent any tangents from happening, wasn't sure how many people were planning on vote skip for night phase. You have been basing your decisions out of possibilities. I am basing mine off of truth and logic.
If you believe what I have said is true this game, you all need to vote for Cole no matter what he tries to come up with. The grand scheme he referenced yesterday is that of his own making. I am only being honest with my village. If you don't believe me, we're in trouble.
oh I fully believe some one would've checked me, but I also believe it wouldn't matter what I said.
you're doing the classic revenge attack on someone that's accused you. it's the one thing I keep trying to get people not to do.
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Nope, just doing my night power, picking you, and getting an evil result. I wanted to make a case for Raposa initially but once my read came back evil, there was no way I couldn't lead with that today. The longer your team keeps me alive, the more reads I'm going to keep doing. And even if I die, I still have a chance to be revived. Sounds like the towns odds got a little better.
Reminder for everyone about sorcerer:
That would mean Raposa was either the sorcerer (likely) and converted, or one of the random wolves. Thank you for the hail mary @Dean
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Check them next @Tommy Boy
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Something to remember going forward for sure. Good catch.
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Schteve used it all the time, I found it mildly annoying
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Yeah, I recall... I remember using it a few times and I think you responded whenever I did. So long ago though, who knows. I've continued using soz regularly.
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Check me if you want
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Pulling a page from your playbook. Only difference is I'm telling the truth and you aren't.
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I was talking to Jawneh.
It's not a revenge accusation. You're really off your game this time.
You "missed" TD's blatant post about asking to be jailed, used creative logic that completely ignored that even after it was pointed out to you, and then argued that the person who turned out to be a wolf was the more trustworthy one. That's a prime candidate for checking to confirm if they're a wolf, the fact that you went after Tommy is irrelevant. You're trying to use it to your advantage because it's your only out right now.
There's no one else who has an aura seer claim, I would have been notified if one died. If Tommy isn't the aura seer, who is? If you're arguing he's a wolf, then you need to be able to point out who has the guaranteed role in his absence.
Vote Cole
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get your skips on too team, we can be confident
i wouldn't mind having people say their specific roles now either. not as if they mafia don't have a very good grip on who is what at this stage. those not willing to help will help to clear the air of other wolves, and bad role claims will help us get the last few too.
i am the bell ringer.
i wouldn't mind having people say their specific roles now either. not as if they mafia don't have a very good grip on who is what at this stage. those not willing to help will help to clear the air of other wolves, and bad role claims will help us get the last few too.
i am the bell ringer.
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They’re a wolf in every way
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Also @Tommy Boy if Cole is revealed to be a regular werewolf then there won't be a reason to check kat. The only two roles that could be a regular wolf are a converted fan or a sorcerer who gave up their power. That would mean the fan was definitely converted on night 1 and she was lying to cover it up.
If he's anything else then she could be included amongst your choices.
If he's anything else then she could be included amongst your choices.
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I am dumb/busy. Tommy can't find specific wolf roles, can he? So that wouldn't fly, would it?
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