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"if he's anything else" the town loses. if I'm not a wolf, (I'm not, but irrelevant) then the town has 5 left if they already have the fan, which is your theory.
If Tommy isn't the aura seer, who is?

Are you now saying there's a shaman involved here? Isn't it great how you were arguing against that so much yesterday when it came to me being accused as evil and now it's your turn?
 

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If Tommy isn't the aura seer, who is?

Are you now saying there's a shaman involved here? Isn't it great how you were arguing against that so much yesterday when it came to me being accused as evil and now it's your turn?
when the fuck did I argue against it Alu? I didn't even finish with a vote on you. you kept claiming there were only two outcomes, I said there were 3. and said repeatedly shaman was one of the potential choices.

and I'm not sure why that even matters now. whether by design of you or not, Raposa was clearly a wolf, and I have no reason to trust that you're evil. but I have EVERY reason to trust that Kelly is for the same reason I trust that you're not.

Tommy is a different matter, and it's the revenge bullshit that has me believing he's dirty
 

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hell, maybe I'm the aura seer for all I fucking know. all I'm saying is you people keep speaking in absolutes. but the absolutes you're speaking in are based on fucking guesses. and the word of Tommy revenge accusing me.
 

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Okay so before I slap a vote on Cole, is this going to be a repeat of what happened with Tommy yesterday and we wishy wash? And was there a conclusion to the shaman business?
 

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Okay so before I slap a vote on Cole, is this going to be a repeat of what happened with Tommy yesterday and we wishy wash? And was there a conclusion to the shaman business?
The simplest explanation for yesterday is Raposa lied to try and get me lynched to end the game.
 

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hell, maybe I'm the aura seer for all I fucking know. all I'm saying is you people keep speaking in absolutes. but the absolutes you're speaking in are based on fucking guesses. and the word of Tommy revenge accusing me.
Yeah so we should instead listen to the guy who claims to not even so much as read his role? That guy's useful right?

Also there was very good reason to suspect you might be a wolf after how yesterday played out. It's not a revenge vote or accusation, it was a play that made sense.
 

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Cole would be a good target for a shaman. Everyone was already pointing fingers at him, and he's a popular target for checks, and his logic abilities probably are wonky from COVID. There's still a random wolf unaccounted out there. We do need to be careful.

Since we have time and there's a lot on the line (if we're wrong, they could end the game if they hit the fan tonight), let's just discuss hypothetically what we would do instead if we did know he was shamaned. Is there anyone else we'd be very confident lynching? Are we being turned away from a better target?
 

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Yeah so we should instead listen to the guy who claims to not even so much as read his role? That guy's useful right?

Also there was very good reason to suspect you might be a wolf after how yesterday played out. It's not a revenge vote or accusation, it was a play that made sense.
it's a revenge vote if the person I accused is now wrongly accusing me, yes it is. but you know that.
 

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Cole would be a good target for a shaman. Everyone was already pointing fingers at him, and he's a popular target for checks, and his logic abilities probably are wonky from COVID. There's still a random wolf unaccounted out there. We do need to be careful.

Since we have time and there's a lot on the line (if we're wrong, they could end the game if they hit the fan tonight), let's just discuss hypothetically what we would do instead if we did know he was shamaned. Is there anyone else we'd be very confident lynching? Are we being turned away from a better target?
The only other target is you
 

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Cole would be a good target for a shaman. Everyone was already pointing fingers at him, and he's a popular target for checks, and his logic abilities probably are wonky from COVID. There's still a random wolf unaccounted out there. We do need to be careful.

Since we have time and there's a lot on the line (if we're wrong, they could end the game if they hit the fan tonight), let's just discuss hypothetically what we would do instead if we did know he was shamaned. Is there anyone else we'd be very confident lynching? Are we being turned away from a better target?
You?

Seriously this seems a fairly clever but last ditch effort to keep Cole alive or at least create some confusion
 
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Being obtuse is not the way, my wolfy friends. You just watch a seer v seer battle yesterday, and the wolves lost that one. No other seer in sight. Not trusting Tommy due to lack of evidence is... incorrect because there is evidence (not concrete, sure).

Why wouldn't we INSTANTLY kill Cole? It's a bit wonky from my view. The wolves haaaaaave to play but... I feel like we're getting helped along too much. Nine wolves next time please @Zell 17.
 

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don't be crazy! we only trust seers when they accuse people they don't want in the game!

if they accuse someone else, everyone just ignores it becsuse Alu said "I'm not a wolf btw" and Kelly said "yeah I agree!"

but otherwise, we always trust seers!
 

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Then we discuss the possibilities and make a decision. Seers aren't infallible.
You aren’t being serious are you?

don't be crazy! we only trust seers when they accuse people they don't want in the game!

if they accuse someone else, everyone just ignores it becsuse Alu said "I'm not a wolf btw" and Kelly said "yeah I agree!"

but otherwise, we always trust seers!
Cole makes a good point. Who wants to switch to lynching Kat Instead?
 

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Not trusting Tommy due to lack of evidence is... incorrect because there is evidence (not concrete, sure).
what evidence? he... said so? raposa is dead?

you don't know the status of Alu, you don't know the status of Kelly, you definitely don't know the status of Tommy.

what evidence? please say it's just because raposa was a wolf.
 

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I've remained pretty quiet here and I don't have any intent on getting into pissing matches with anyone, so I'll say my piece and move on.

The more I think about it, the more we STILL don't know the second random wolf role. We got away with it with Raposuh. Can we really roll the dice again? It's clear to me Cole is dirty. But we don't know what he.

The ONLY person I trusted was Dean. He was exonerated when Vash pulled a Jon. Other than that I have suspicians on all of you and with good reason. A lot of you blowing more hot air than feels necessary to defend yourselves.

Tommy - I have no reason to disbelieve at this point. That doesn't mean he's innocent in my eyes because it's been a lot of "Trust me, bro" vibes. That said, he checked Cole who I am pretty sure we all thought was evil to begin with instead of one of the more unknown.

Benzine - I just have the feeling like you're the kind of person in this game that simply wants make sure we're watching your left hand to ignore the stuff your right hand is doing. That said, I would be willing to bet you are indeed the Ritualist. I simply don't trust you.

Kelly - I cannot stand the overall verbose push and the overarching feel of needing to take the reigns. I was vocal night one I don't like that approach and I feel it did more harm than good. You said you had incontrovertible proof of being the Librarian, but to me all you proved is you have the ability to silence. Without knowing 100% what the other random role is, I have not ruled out the possibility of you being evil. Sorry. When you come on here and blow us up 10 more pages calling us all stupid for not believing you and saying we're ALL evil, and then telling us "this is my last post" it's just going to make the rest of this day frustrating.

Tubby - You swung your vote for Tommy last second. You say it's because you don't believe him, but that doesn't feel right. If you don't believe him, why not outright start with a vote on him today and not give any credence to Cole being evil? You and Kelly pressured me to vote for him yesterday, why don't you both do the same today if you're convinced he's been sus? Why waste time on Cole when you know you can nab him tomorrow?

Kat - I have my doubts about some things you've said that don't add up. That said, you've also provided the town with invaluable information and have been an asset. I can give a benefit of the doubt for now, but there is always going to be something niggling at the back of my neck until you can prove your not a threat. I can't push all in on you yet though.

Kut - I have no idea what to take from you in this game. You say you're the Sheriff, which is hard to prove and that's fine, but I hold to the possibility you've played your cards so damn well so as to literally get everyone off your scent this whole game. You're clever, wise and smart enough to do this and I sure haven't ruled you out either.

Alu - You are probably the next closest person on my "probably but not probably" list. You have a role we can't prove unless Tommy dies, assuming he's actually the Seer. That being said, it also gives you perfect cover to fly under the radar and jump in last minute with ways to swing the game.

Local - You're silenced today which means that whether you are or are not, you're considered a threat to Kelly. I think there is a real chance you are the flagger and I think there is a real chance you're the alpha. And until we know there are too many other question marks left unanswered.

To me, you're all capable of being evil at this point. I went after Cole like the rest of you because I've felt he's guilty from the go, but I think he's completely harmless with no powers. So I don't think taking him out while there is still an unknown role is the wisest play. To me, the way to go is going after the person who has been the loudest and has tried to legit dictate the terms of every other instance. Someone sowing discord and chaos and confusion and loving every second of it. To me, they are the real danger of walking the town down the wrong path.

I change my vote to Kelly and also vote to skip.

May whatever deity you pray to have mercy on the soul of this completely useless and powerless villager.
 
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Then we discuss the possibilities and make a decision. Seers aren't infallible.
Yeah, totally right, I'm assuming the same logic has flowed through everyones brains, which may not be the case, plus we have to say it to the wolves being obtuse to help them "understand".

Raposa is the one who's said someone looked evil. Kit was evil. Why would we trust that? Why would he out real info that really helps the town if he was a wolf?
 
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what evidence? he... said so? raposa is dead?

you don't know the status of Alu, you don't know the status of Kelly, you definitely don't know the status of Tommy.

what evidence? please say it's just because raposa was a wolf.
Yeah the evidence is that there is a seer in this game and only Tommy has claimed it (I don't count kit cause wolf).

We're day 3 and not seen any seers die.

If the town wanted to win the seer would be giving direction and it's happening.

If someone else is hte seer and hasn't said so, that's fine, we lose, all gravy.
 

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Yeah, totally right, I'm assuming the same logic has flowed through everyones brains, which may not be the case, plus we have to say it to the wolves being obtuse to help them "understand".

Raposa is the one who's said someone looked evil. Kit was evil. Why would we trust that? Why would he out real info that really helps the town if he was a wolf?
why are you trusting that Kelly is good then? raposa cleared him.

he's been trying to pull strings from his very first post.
 
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I do trust Tommy to be honest. Go read the beginning of this thread again, it wasn't me doubting him. But that doesn't mean his read is accurate. I'm not saying he's NOT either, just that it does no harm to at least discuss it.
Yep, you're totally right, it could be wrong and it's wrong of me to assume that everyone else thinks it's the most likely outcome too.
 

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Yeah the evidence is that there is a seer in this game and only Tommy has claimed it (I don't count kit cause wolf).

We're day 3 and not seen any seers die.

If the town wanted to win the seer would be giving direction and it's happening.

If someone else is hte seer and hasn't said so, that's fine, we lose, all gravy.
lack of proof is not evidence.

you can't prove a negative. just because no one's come forward doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
 

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It's so fucking weird that every time I try to get y'all to talk through who could be evil, you use it as proof that I'm evil.
The reason I feel sus about you is actually because of Raposa was truly the sorcerer and gave up his powers, the most likely explanation is that they were already operating as a team of 6, meaning the fan was converted and you would have needed to lie about protection on the first night.
 

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lack of proof is not evidence.

you can't prove a negative. just because no one's come forward doesn't mean it hasn't happened.
Okay, where's your proof or evidence? You seem to just be saying that because you accused Tommy first, and almost certainly incorrectly at that, that any accusation on you is obviously false.
 

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You guys really still suspect me when I helped to lead the lynch of Raposa?

Town wtf r u doin?

Dean obviously shouldn't have killed Raposa if wolves hinted there's another guardian wolf, but anyway it's probably good that he didn't kill Jon because I suspect he's the Avenger wolf.

Anyway, take your pick:
Raposa, Cole, Local, Jawneh, Tubby, Jon

Those were the people that didn't vote Raposa (with the exception of Jon). Those were the people cooking up ridiculous arguments against why I am bad. We had exactly 7 people vote for Raposa, plus Jon who inexplicably confessed to being a wolf with his last post in the thread.
 

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Raposa is the one who's said someone looked evil. Kit was evil. Why would we trust that? Why would he out real info that really helps the town if he was a wolf?
??? Where did I say trust Kit? I said Cole could be shamaned. Kit never mentioned a shaman.

So what do you all think the last wolf role is? They weren't shy about using all their other powers, yet this one has been quiet. Seems weird, doesn't it?
 

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The reason I feel sus about you is actually because of Raposa was truly the sorcerer and gave up his powers, the most likely explanation is that they were already operating as a team of 6, meaning the fan was converted and you would have needed to lie about protection on the first night.
Or he knew he was going to die that night and converted to make you think this very thing about me.
 
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