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If TD is a townie who just made a "vibes check" to confidently call someone a wolf on day 1 then it's a terrible play on his part. If it ends up being true that Local is a wolf, and TD still did it by day 1 vibes, then he just would end up being lucky. No idea what Local could have done prior to that to be so suspicious.
 
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@Tubby23 how do you feel about voting for TD?

I know @Cole wants us to hold off, so if people think we should NOT lynch today, then they need to speak up.
correction, Cole wants us to not be wrong. and lynching becsuse TD of all people said so is flimsy.
If we're to believe @Kat the fan has not yet been turned (she claimed being attacked and defending herself)
okay, fair. but if they DO get the fan after they've already killed 3 or 4, same end result.
 

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If TD is a townie who just made a "vibes check" to confidently call someone a wolf on day 1 then it's a terrible play on his part. If it ends up being true that Local is a wolf, and TD still did it by day 1 vibes, then he just would end up being lucky. No idea what Local could have done prior to that to be so suspicious.
I think that scenario is relatively unlikely but I listed it for completeness
 

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correction, Cole wants us to not be wrong. and lynching becsuse TD of all people said so is flimsy.

okay, fair. but if they DO get the fan after they've already killed 3 or 4, same end result.
Agreed. We don't even know how TD is claiming to have come up with the knowledge. He just dropped the information and let us discuss whether or not it was because he's the Tough Guy and learned it that way (which he didn't, if Kat is to be believed). Right now Kat is in better position to be believed though (IMO)
 

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So this is about as far as I can go today with being "active." Will be around(-ish) until 10pm, but chores and whatnot will be taking priority. Will not be around close enough to end-of-day to participate in any last ditch shenanigans.

Don't fuck up, Cloud! :^
 

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Agreed. TD isn't stupid either. He knows if he goes after LH hard and is wrong that he has a massive target on him. IMO, either he is town or he is a lowly ranked wolf willing to sacrifice.
TD also fancies himself good enough to talk his way out of danger. he volunteered for the very first trial in Vashs mafia because he wasn't concerned with looking guilty at all.

when I'm wolf I'll happily put my head on the line to lynch a townie, especially in a game with confusion, potentially shaman, guardian. wolves could have the god combo of abilities. hell, they could block the first lynch anyway if they wanted to.
Local did have a point that TD voted for Jon first and didn't go after Local until he (as in TD - pronouns, pal) was about to leave.

Cole also pointed out that TD did this before in a prior game and made a bad call.
TD makes bad calls regularly. no disrespect to him, he's a good enough player to be loud and in your face and stir up trouble, but his guaranteed reads have been suspect in any game I've played with him.
 
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If TD does end up being a townie, we can also go back to what his other potential suspects and look at those for baddies. And obviously seer and hunt down Local tonight as well. We're not actually behind in the game yet.

The thing that sucks of course is if we lynch TD or get ready to and he dies anyway because he's the Tough Guy and protected someone, although @Kat made that seem impossible
Tough guy is probably the second easiest role to sell. Loudmouth being the easiest if you just get yourself killed, especially in a game without a fool. If you get hit, you just out right say who you are, who done did you dirty, and the next day it's all clear as day. But TD didn't do that. He's definitely not using his role correctly at all if he's the tough guy, which makes me believe Kat more than him in this scenario.
 

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Don't got much time so I'll be upfront and I only skimmed.

I did not claim Tough Guy.

Local is a cold read. However from what I've read, it's still one I'm happy with.

Cole will feed you his bullshit and his whole schtick is knocking people for past games, it's what he does every game to try to discredit people. Did I say Cole was the dirty cop and he wasn't? Yes. However that play, I identified the other 3 mafia members. He's also telling you that I make bad reads in every game I've played with him - yet I genuinely only recall one game I was a townie and it's the one instance he keeps referring to.

He's someone to watch.

Make your choice, I'm still happy with it.

Goodnight.
 

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Here's the thing, guys. I'm a flagger. Therefore, TD is not making a legitimate claim. He's presented no evidence nor made any hints of a role claim.

Why would everyone bandwagon need on no info? My guess, TD is a wolf and is coming out with a strong accusations to see what happens.

OR

He's just a regular townie throwing out accusations and a bunch of wolves (and townies) jumped on it.

Why isn't TD making any role claim when he is a staunch believer in all Innocents role claiming?

@VashTheStampede , I'm having a small sit down at this made up holiday festival, but I'm going back out in the fray now
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Don't got much time so I'll be upfront and I only skimmed.

I did not claim Tough Guy.

Local is a cold read. However from what I've read, it's still one I'm happy with.

Cole will feed you his bullshit and his whole schtick is knocking people for past games, it's what he does every game to try to discredit people. Did I say Cole was the dirty cop and he wasn't? Yes. However that play, I identified the other 3 mafia members. He's also telling you that I make bad reads in every game I've played with him - yet I genuinely only recall one game I was a townie and it's the one instance he keeps referring to.

He's someone to watch.

Make your choice, I'm still happy with it.

Goodnight.
Please inform us why you're happy with your read of local when at that point he had only posted:

Happy anniversary 🎉

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I've got no opinions so far. A lot of strong personalities so far for sure


By the time you made the claim the first time.
 

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Cole will feed you his bullshit and his whole schtick is knocking people for past games, it's what he does every game to try to discredit people
Also it rings hollow for me when he hasn't been involved in the last few.

Maybe the meta has passed him by.

Maybe I'm just trying to poke the bear.
 
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Don't got much time so I'll be upfront and I only skimmed.

I did not claim Tough Guy.

Local is a cold read. However from what I've read, it's still one I'm happy with.

Cole will feed you his bullshit and his whole schtick is knocking people for past games, it's what he does every game to try to discredit people. Did I say Cole was the dirty cop and he wasn't? Yes. However that play, I identified the other 3 mafia members. He's also telling you that I make bad reads in every game I've played with him - yet I genuinely only recall one game I was a townie and it's the one instance he keeps referring to.

He's someone to watch.

Make your choice, I'm still happy with it.

Goodnight.
Hmm, interesting. Matches up with what I suggested... but it's a bit strange he waited until now to admit it was a read after implying otherwise.

Idk man. He had some good calls last game, but his reasoning for Tubby being bomber, though 100% correct in the end, turned out to be coincidence. And he thought Alu was guilty and Zell wasn't.

Hmmm I don't really know!
 

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That said "Guys we're getting a wolf today" with sheer confidence

Followed by "this dude is 100% a wolf, okay I'm disappearing"

Then finally "oh its just a guess"

Is SUCH a Cole move that it's hilarious that they're sniping at each other
 

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Don't got much time so I'll be upfront and I only skimmed.

I did not claim Tough Guy.

Local is a cold read. However from what I've read, it's still one I'm happy with.

Cole will feed you his bullshit and his whole schtick is knocking people for past games, it's what he does every game to try to discredit people. Did I say Cole was the dirty cop and he wasn't? Yes. However that play, I identified the other 3 mafia members. He's also telling you that I make bad reads in every game I've played with him - yet I genuinely only recall one game I was a townie and it's the one instance he keeps referring to.

He's someone to watch.

Make your choice, I'm still happy with it.

Goodnight.
oh no, Cole just cold read TD perfectly. again.

you just got a bunch of people to chain onto him, claiming insider knowledge, then you come and admit you have no idea.

awkward.

also it's been more than one game you've been wrong in after being "100% positive."

you throw put 10 reads a game, get 1 right, and people think you always know.

come on guys, are we really lynching based off of TDs feelings?

I'm sure Kelly will come in soon and tell you how silly is to vote off suspicion becsuse Zell says "voting with instinct always fails" right?

every game I'm in with TD he guarantees he knows a wolf when he doesn't, then takes credit for the ensuing aftermath. only this time, if we lynch a townie, it hurts us badly. there are a potential 6 wolves, and TD wants to take a shot on his "read".

every time I give people cold reads, I go into specific detail on what they've said, what they've done that lead me there. even when I'm wrong. EVEN WHEN I'M LYING I still explain why I think someone is guilty. I'm good at twisting facts to fit a narrative, and because of the nature of this game and the fact that good guys have to lie too, I'm good at picking out the reasons that look guilty out of context. that's why people follow me, because I sound convincing.

but here we are.

90% of the town ready to lynch just because TD says so with no other information.

at least Kells plan, even if he's a wolf, has thought behind it that can be defended.

what is TDs response right now? "I got nothing, Cole is mean, gotta go."

starting to feel a vote for myself coming in. I thought the tech in these games would've improved in my absense.
 

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How about this everyone: if TD hadn't stated Local was definitely a wolf, who would've been at the top of your sus list?
Having been the sorcerer the last time it was around, I'm sus of both the people who have claimed Aura Seer so far. I know there's one guaranteed in there, and there's a decent enough chance for there to be a second. But playing the sorcerer the exact way you'd play aura seer is the right move.
 

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Also it rings hollow for me when he hasn't been involved in the last few.

Maybe the meta has passed him by.

Maybe I'm just trying to poke the bear.
people never change. wolf players never change.

but please, share with me what the meta is that I'm unaware of. tell me how else we should view TD claiming a guarantee that he has no idea about.
That said "Guys we're getting a wolf today" with sheer confidence

Followed by "this dude is 100% a wolf, okay I'm disappearing"

Then finally "oh its just a guess"

Is SUCH a Cole move that it's hilarious that they're sniping at each other
that's because he's copying from my playbook. this is literally what I did thst one gunner game of mine. I told everyone someone was a wolf and then shot the fool.

he's reading from my script.
 
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