Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Tubby23]

Random thoughts:
I still don't know if the Ritualist is still alive. If TD was the Tough Guy and Raine was the Warden, then they should be. So there's that.

If TD wasn't the Tough Guy, and we believe he had a Guaranteed role, then he was the Ritualist, and maybe he will be joining us again.

Going off Kelly's sheet/info we know:
Cole, Jawneh, Kat, and shortkut never revealed if they were Guaranteed or Random.

However, we have Eight (!) claims of a Guaranteed Role. That being said, roles like Seer and Witch can be Guaranteed in this game and Random.

We have four claims of Random roles, but probably more if we add in some other conclusions, not to mention the overflow of 8 "guaranteed" roles.

Kat claims she can protect herself and others, but said she doesn't HAVE to protect herself. Bodyguard is the logical conclusion, which is another random role, putting it at 7.

I don't know. Too much to think about. Too many variables with the random vs guaranteed stuff.

I was suspicious with how quickly she jumped to Tubby Flagger and then pushed it to everyone who came in over a number of different posts. There was no confirmation but it very much felt like set up Tubby as the fall guy when roles start getting revealed.

 

[Dean]

I don't know if I should put all my cards on the table or not

 

[Tubby23]

I don't watch Grey's Anatomy

You're missing out

 

[Dean]

You're missing out

My sister loves it. I'm not into medical dramas. I do like House, but because he's a smarmy prick.

 

[Dean]

Tubby, do you SWEAR on the life--- nah I'm just kidding.

Anyway, I'm about to just blather on here and potentially expose roles. It probably isn't shocking to anybody else who's been paying attention and likely figured all this out before I had time to do so.

 

[Raposuh]

Alu's got that smooth New England rizz to keep him afloat.

 

[Kat]

Someone made the comment last game in the Dead Thread, Alu literally doesn't change whether he is bad or good or RK. He is the hardest read in these parts.

So, why are we believing him now?

I was suspicious with how quickly she jumped to Tubby Flagger and then pushed it to everyone who came in over a number of different posts. There was no confirmation but it very much felt like set up Tubby as the fall guy when roles start getting revealed.

I wish I could claim intentional subterfuge. You could've just corrected me... Now I feel silly.

 

[Raposuh]

Tubby can't be Dr because he used a House gif, and in House, it's never Lupus.

But in wolf, it's always Lupus.

 

[Raposuh]

Tubby is more likely the secret solo killer Zell added without telling anybody

 

[shortkut]

I accept that but the conversation with Zell was fractionally more detailed than I have mentioned as Zell also confirmed that The Flagger doesn't receive prompts to use their role.

I would assume that Zell usually doesn't have to prompt you as you're a very active player. I also usually don't get prompted

i asked what my role did and he told me. Still no prompts and I still forgot to use it night 1

 

[Raposuh]

Shortkut have you rated my parents cats cute levels yet

 

[shortkut]

Shortkut have you rated my parents cats cute levels yet

I forgot about that thread, so you can vote me as retribution

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)
Tommy Boy - 1 (Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (Dean)

No vote - 6 (Benzine, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[Raposuh]

I change my vote to shortkut in retribution.

Here are pictures of my brothers cats, you may rate them at your leisure.

 

[Tubby23]

So, why are we believing him now?

I don't I just believe Tommy least

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
shortkut - 1 (Raposuh)
Tommy Boy - 1 (Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (Dean)

No vote - 6 (Benzine, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[Tubby23]

I change my vote to shortkut in retribution.

Here are pictures of my brothers cats, you may rate them at your leisure.

22/10, 11/10 & 11/10

 

[Tubby23]

I wish I could claim intentional subterfuge. You could've just corrected me... Now I feel silly.

It suited more to let it be because I needed to question LH

 

[Raposuh]

22/10, 11/10 & 11/10

Please note the third kitty in the first picture and rerate accordingly thank yoy

 

[Tubby23]

Please note the third kitty in the first picture and rerate accordingly thank yoy

Oh fuck surprise white kitty.

36/10

 

[Dean]

Kat and Jawneh didn't join the bandwagon against Local Hero but had no issue voting for TD when it looked like he might be lynched.

Alu and shortkut were early on the Local Hero bandwagon.

I'm thinking it looks suspicious that Cole, Jawneh, and Kat won't reveal much. Kat pretty much has to be the Bodyguard for things to make sense. That's a pure random role.

If we believe people...
1. Tubby - Doctor - Pure Random
2. Kat - Bodyguard - Pure Random
3. Alu - Seer Apprentice - Pure Random
4. Local Hero - Flagger - Pure Random
5. Smacktard - Librarian - Pure Random

So that's impossible, obviously.

That doesn't include two other potential randoms from the "Guaranteed" group:

1. Benzine - Ritualist? - Pure Guaranteed
2. Dean - Witch - Guaranteed or Random
3. Jon - ??? - Claims Guaranteed but could be Guaranteed or Random
4. Raine - Warden - Guaranteed (dead amirite)
5. Raposuh - Aura Seer - Guaranteed or Random
6. TD - Tough Guy? Ritualist? - Guaranteed or Random (still dead FOR NOW)
7. Tommy Boy - Aura Seer - Guaranteed or Random
8. Vash - Marksman - Guaranteed (RIP even if you did try to shoot me you Vashole)

So yeah. That's like, 13 villager claims, with only 10 villagers. Vash, TD, and Raine are all villagers, so we are down to 7 living villagers.

Hmm...

 

[shortkut]

I change my vote to shortkut in retribution.

Here are pictures of my brothers cats, you may rate them at your leisure.

I copied to the rating thread and will try to rate in the next day or two

 

[Dean]

Raposuh, Local, Cole, Jawneh, Kat, and let's throw in someone else... idk... Maybe Jon?

Those are the six I would like to look at. Watch me be wrong about every single one.

 

[Benzine]

Well I don't really expect someone to claim wolf Dean

 

[Tubby23]

@Zell 17 can I confirm, when you say Marksman dies if targeting someone on the village team the Sorcerer and Wolf Fan don't count as Village Team do they? I know that's obvious but I want to make sure.

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 can I confirm, when you say Marksman dies if targeting someone on the village team the Sorcerer and Wolf Fan don't count as Village Team do they? I know that's obvious but I want to make sure.

Marksman would kill the sorcerer, and would die if targeting the werewolf fan.

 

[Tubby23]

Marksman would kill the sorcerer, and would die if targeting the werewolf fan.

Thank you Zell.

 

[Tubby23]

@Dean on a scale of 1-10 how much do you like wolfs?

 

[Dean]

So let's say this is your goodie list...

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: Tommy Boy
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: Benzine
Warden: Raine
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: TD

Four random:
Seer Apprentice: Alu
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
???: shortkut

Does that seem feasible? Idk just throwing shit at the wall

 

[shortkut]

Kat and Jawneh didn't join the bandwagon against Local Hero but had no issue voting for TD when it looked like he might be lynched.

Alu and shortkut were early on the Local Hero bandwagon.

I'm thinking it looks suspicious that Cole, Jawneh, and Kat won't reveal much. Kat pretty much has to be the Bodyguard for things to make sense. That's a pure random role.

If we believe people...
1. Tubby - Doctor - Pure Random
2. Kat - Bodyguard - Pure Random
3. Alu - Seer Apprentice - Pure Random
4. Local Hero - Flagger - Pure Random
5. Smacktard - Librarian - Pure Random

So that's impossible, obviously.

That doesn't include two other potential randoms from the "Guaranteed" group:

1. Benzine - Ritualist? - Pure Guaranteed
2. Dean - Witch - Guaranteed or Random
3. Jon - ??? - Claims Guaranteed but could be Guaranteed or Random
4. Raine - Warden - Guaranteed (dead amirite)
5. Raposuh - Aura Seer - Guaranteed or Random
6. TD - Tough Guy? Ritualist? - Guaranteed or Random (still dead FOR NOW)
7. Tommy Boy - Aura Seer - Guaranteed or Random
8. Vash - Marksman - Guaranteed (RIP even if you did try to shoot me you Vashole)

So yeah. That's like, 13 villager claims, with only 10 villagers. Vash, TD, and Raine are all villagers, so we are down to 7 living villagers.

Hmm...

Update your calculations with me as a random

 

[Tubby23]

Our only confirmed villager is dead, the joy

 

[Dean]

So let's say this is your goodie list...

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: Tommy Boy
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: Benzine
Warden: Raine
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: TD

Four random:
Seer Apprentice: Alu
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
???: shortkut

Does that seem feasible? Idk just throwing shit at the wall

Update your calculations with me as a random

I got you

 

[shortkut]

So let's say this is your goodie list...

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: Tommy Boy
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: Benzine
Warden: Raine
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: TD

Four random:
Seer Apprentice: Alu
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
???: shortkut

Does that seem feasible? Idk just throwing shit at the wall

Why are you picking Tommy over raposuh for aura seer?

This means Kat is a liar

 

[Dean]

Why are you picking Tommy over raposuh for aura seer?

This means Kat is a liar

I think Kat is evil

 

[shortkut]

Our only confirmed villager is dead, the joy

Goddamnit @VashTheStampede , you idjit. We could have used you if you were still alive

 

[shortkut]

I think Kat is evil

She was on my initial list of 3 suspects

 

[Tubby23]

Witch
Aura: Unknown
Has two potions to give to another player. One can kill any other player at night. One can protect any other player at night from normal attacks by evil/solo players. Potions are consumed if the use is successful. Potions are used at night. It will not be announced who the witch is upon potion use. The witch will be notified if their protection is successful, but nobody else will be.


So who has recevied a potion from Dean?

 

[Dean]

Kat has been deliberately vague about her role, just that she doesn't have to protect herself and can protect others, but the math wouldn't allow her to be Bodyguard (random).

 

[Dean]

Witch
Aura: Unknown
Has two potions to give to another player. One can kill any other player at night. One can protect any other player at night from normal attacks by evil/solo players. Potions are consumed if the use is successful. Potions are used at night. It will not be announced who the witch is upon potion use. The witch will be notified if their protection is successful, but nobody else will be.


So who has recevied a potion from Dean?

Lol ironically I didn't do anything the first night (night 0) and I gave the protection potion to Kat night 1.

I haven't tried to poison anybody yet.

 

[Tubby23]

We should vote for Kat, Tommy Boy or Raposa

 

[Kat]

Less than three hours to go. We can't keep twiddling our thumbs and hemming and hawing. I'm going to number the people who have been recently voted for (I'm using the list before Raposa changed to shortkut because that's not a serious vote):

1 Raposuh
2 Smacktard
3 Alu
4 Tommy Boy
5 Tubby23

Chances are two or three are guilty so I'm just going to roll a d6. Then let's discuss if that's a good person to lynch. If we decide no then I'll roll again (or someone else can if you don't trust me).



That's Tommy Boy. How do we feel about lynching him? We suspect either Raposa or Tommy must be sorcerer. Kelly felt strongly that he was guilty... until he didn't. He says Local is unknown aura and TD (RIP) was good aura. After he announced TD's aura, he was berserk killed. Some people think he's tough guy (nobody else has contradicted or hinted afaik, but you've all seen how well I notice hints), which Tommy would've known yesterday and could've told the wolves if he is actually sorcerer.

Thoughts for or against?

 

[Dean]

Listen, I could be wrong about Kat. She seems to be trying to be helpful.

Maybe Kat and Raposa are innocent and Alu and Tommy are evil?

 

[Tubby23]

Less than three hours to go. We can't keep twiddling our thumbs and hemming and hawing. I'm going to number the people who have been recently voted for (I'm using the list before Raposa changed to shortkut because that's not a serious vote):

1 Raposuh
2 Smacktard
3 Alu
4 Tommy Boy
5 Tubby23

Chances are two or three are guilty so I'm just going to roll a d6. Then let's discuss if that's a good person to lynch. If we decide no then I'll roll again (or someone else can if you don't trust me).

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That's Tommy Boy. How do we feel about lynching him? We suspect either Raposa or Tommy must be sorcerer. Kelly felt strongly that he was guilty... until he didn't. He says Local is unknown aura and TD (RIP) was good aura. After he announced TD's aura, he was berserk killed. Some people think he's tough guy (nobody else has contradicted or hinted afaik, but you've all seen how well I notice hints), which Tommy would've known yesterday and could've told the wolves if he is actually sorcerer.

Thoughts for or against?

Um there is like 15 hours to go

 

[Tubby23]

If you don't have that fact straight... then the rest of your post I will consider flawed, except where you blame Tommy which depending on what we believe of you may clear him.

Vote Kat

 

[Cole]

Listen, I could be wrong about Kat. She seems to be trying to be helpful.

Maybe Kat and Raposa are innocent and Alu and Tommy are evil?

Alu and Tommy are the ones we have the best reason to believe right now. we don't have room for error, but we also can be wrong as I've said several times.

we need to do this and do it right.

we might have until 11am tomorrow, but a lot of that time will be with people sleeping. we don't have forever.

 

[Kat]

Um there is like 15 hours to go

... oops. I can maths.

 

[Dean]

Do more people agree with this?

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: Raposuh
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: Benzine
Warden: Raine
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: TD

Four random:
Bodyguard: Kat
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
???: shortkut

 

[Tubby23]

Do more people agree with this?

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: Raposuh
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: Benzine
Warden: Raine
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: TD

Four random:
Bodyguard: Kat
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
???: shortkut

Please remove Kat

 

[Dean]

Alu and Tommy are the ones we have the best reason to believe right now. we don't have room for error, but we also can be wrong as I've said several times.

we need to do this and do it right.

we might have until 11am tomorrow, but a lot of that time will be with people sleeping. we don't have forever.

Cole, are you willing to reveal anything about your role? Aura, guaranteed vs random, or even what the role is?

You're normally a big proponent of the "villagers should reveal roles and work together" strategy

I know you've got COVID, but you still seem off this game

 

[Raposuh]

Less than three hours to go. We can't keep twiddling our thumbs and hemming and hawing. I'm going to number the people who have been recently voted for (I'm using the list before Raposa changed to shortkut because that's not a serious vote):

1. There's like 15 hours to go.

2. My vote was deadly serious.