Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Dean]

If I believe Tommy is telling the truth, who am I saying is naughty?

I dunno, maybe Raposa and Kat?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If I believe Tommy is telling the truth, who am I saying is naughty?

Raposa. There's only one aura seer and if you believe tommy you don't believe Raposa.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If you believe Raposa you don't believe Tommy. You can believe both Raposa and myself though if you'd like to believe in a Shaman who hit me the same night Raposa did.

 

[Tubby23]

@Benzine what leads you to believe Tommy?

 

[Dean]

@Benzine what is your feeling toward ouija boards?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Raposuh - 2 (Alu, Smacktard)
Smacktard - 2 (Local Hero, shortkut)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)
Kat - 1 (Tubby23)
Tubby23 - 1 (Dean)

No vote - 6 (Benzine, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[Benzine]

@Benzine what leads you to believe Tommy?

He's my pal and no one knows for sure.

Tommy has displayed in many game he's not keen on the wolf pressure and gets a bit... frazzled. I actually hope he's a wolf and is CRUSHING us now, that'll make me happy on a personal level. But, with a bunch of wolf types about, I have a feeling that when distributing roles out to each wolf they would NOT give the fake seer responsibility to Tommy, or he would not ask for it. Of course maybe Tommy's got a new found sense of wolf confidence and opted for it, knowing that some of us would think this way. I'll have to go with the simpler option in this paragraph though.

@Benzine what is your feeling toward ouija boards?

I'm not really hiding that I'm the ritualist (although I have said nothing other than GUARANTEED and that Zell always give me the medium role), the wolves know I am. There's been enough claims for other roles, they know the roles of the people they've killed, they'll be pretty sure I'm the ritualist. I will ask for some protection later but... am I even that strong? I guess we don't want me putting my tag on the wrong person, but I'm reasonably confident.

 

[Local Hero]

This list has become too much work. If we are only going with what's relatively certain, then there isn't a lot. I could still be wrong about you and Kelly!

Six guaranteed:
Aura Seer: ??? (Raposuh and Tommy Boy both claimed)
Marksman: Vash (dead)
Ritualist: ???
Warden: ???
Witch: Dean
Tough Guy: ???

Confirmed Villagers: TD (dead); Raine (dead)

Four random:
Doctor: Tubby
Librarian: Smacktard
Flagger: local
???: ???

Unassigned: Raposuh, Tommy Boy, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Local Hero, Kat, shortkut, Benzine, and Fucking Alu

Fixed this for you

 

[Local Hero]

Fixed this for you

Actually wait, why are we believing Smacktard? He's number one on my sus list

 

[Dean]

I would be proud of Tommy, too. I kind of hope he is a wolf and has us all duped lol

 

[Dean]

Actually wait, why are we believing Smacktard? He's number one on my sus list

I mean, we aren't now, apparently. Isn't that right, @Tubby23 ?

 

[Tubby23]

He's my pal and no one knows for sure.

Tommy has displayed in many game he's not keen on the wolf pressure and gets a bit... frazzled. I actually hope he's a wolf and is CRUSHING us now, that'll make me happy on a personal level. But, with a bunch of wolf types about, I have a feeling that when distributing roles out to each wolf they would NOT give the fake seer responsibility to Tommy, or he would not ask for it. Of course maybe Tommy's got a new found sense of wolf confidence and opted for it, knowing that some of us would think this way. I'll have to go with the simpler option in this paragraph though.


I'm not really hiding that I'm the ritualist (although I have said nothing other than GUARANTEED and that Zell always give me the medium role), the wolves know I am. There's been enough claims for other roles, they know the roles of the people they've killed, they'll be pretty sure I'm the ritualist. I will ask for some protection later but... am I even that strong? I guess we don't want me putting my tag on the wrong person, but I'm reasonably confident.

If he is I'm also personally happy

That said there is no way the wolves don't sit there and think "Tommy no one will expect you to be a fake seer and even better you barely have to lie you can give proper reads until you have to give one on us"

Not saying you're wrong just that there are multiple options

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If you believe Tommy then TD is the tough guy. Only other guaranteed role with a good aura.

 

[Local Hero]

Everyone around here changes their mind so much.

 

[Dean]

If you believe Tommy then TD is the tough guy. Only other guaranteed role with a good aura.

I mean, it would all add up, based on what I said originally in my list...

 

[Tubby23]

I mean, we aren't now, apparently. Isn't that right, @Tubby23 ?

No we don't believe him (to be honest no one can be believed yet). Personally I believe Tommy and Kat less though.

 

[Tubby23]

Everyone around here changes their mind so much.

Almost as if you learn something/change opinions from discussion

 

[Dean]

No we don't believe him (to be honest no one can be believed yet). Personally I believe Tommy and Kat less though.

I edited my post with a better arm folding picture

Yeah, I'm trying to work out the whole... Aura Seer, other random role deal

I feel like Tommy and Kat should be at odds?

Raposuh and Kat are more aligned.

 

[Tubby23]

If you believe Tommy then TD is the tough guy. Only other guaranteed role with a good aura.

could be* the tough guy.

 

[Benzine]

If he is I'm also personally happy

That said there is no way the wolves don't sit there and think "Tommy no one will expect you to be a fake seer and even better you barely have to lie you can give proper reads until you have to give one on us"

Not saying you're wrong just that there are multiple options

And then Tommy says "that's a stupid idea jawnehkut, you are the dumbest cunt I know"

 

[Benzine]

Tommy is fucking rude in the wolf chats I tell you

 

[Tubby23]

I edited my post with a better arm folding picture

Yeah, I'm trying to work out the whole... Aura Seer, other random role deal

I feel like Tommy and Kat should be at odds?

Raposuh and Kat are more aligned.

I'm on the theory of Tommy's target winding up dead under confusion

 

[Tubby23]

And then Tommy says "that's a stupid idea jawnehkut, you are the dumbest cunt I know"

Doesn't surprise me honestly. It's always the ones you least expect

 

[Benzine]

Doesn't surprise me honestly. It's always the ones you least expect

His role in the Benzine movie consumed him

 

[Cole]

the more I think about it the more I think it may be Tommy. I'm not saying Alu isn't wolf, but the wolves berserking someone so perfectly does make me question enough. we can deal with the Alu problem if/when we make it to tomorrow.

i vote Tommy

 

[Tubby23]

His role in the Benzine movie consumed him

Is that filmed in Hobbiton?

 

[Dean]

@Benzine who's your six wolfie suspects?

 

[Benzine]

the more I think about it the more I think it may be Tommy. I'm not saying Alu isn't wolf, but the wolves berserking someone so perfectly does make me question enough. we can deal with the Alu problem if/when we make it to tomorrow.

i vote Tommy

Which of the two Tommy related scenarios do you think is simpler? Him claiming the mantle which easily could be done by someone else, or just being the seer?

Is that filmed in Hobbiton?

Wherever Tommy's bedroom and trampoline (there was a tramp in one right?) are.

@Benzine who's your six wolfie suspects?

I dunno, it's hard. It's more like groups atm I guess? But super seriously (not a joke in any capacity) do suspect kut and Jawneh... Just off my nose though, I obviously have no info as a ritualist who read a dead thread about... I think it was camping? I didn't even post.

I think I'm going the Tommy is innocent route for now but I'd love to have @Tommy Boy turn up and chat when he's free (pls don't feel obligated if life is on), maybe I could get a read... But it'd just be a read.

But I also prefer the Tommy is good route... Because really, the town is pretty fucked right now, we only have one extra night kill with Dean, yes? I kinda like going the option with a bit more of a path.

 

[Dean]

@Benzine @Tubby23

I'm liking this group right now for my six:

Raposuh, Jawneh, Kat, Jon, Local Hero and Cole (or kut)

Please tell me if anything Tommy or someone else who's reputable said contradicts this. I'm trying to remember posts about auras and all that.

 

[Dean]

On the fence with Cole or kut for the sixth, hence the edit. Both have been less active and acting a bit off.

 

[Tubby23]

I maintain my thoughts on Tommy but think the rest of the list has merit. If I am needed to guarantee the lynch on any of those 7 (if we aren't killing Tommy), I will oblige.

 

[shortkut]

Wouldn’t it make more sense for Tommy to be the sorcerer and just play it straight rather than be a wolf? He can look up the auras and report that. He doesn’t need to lie about who he checked that way

 

[Benzine]

Wouldn’t it make more sense for Tommy to be the sorcerer and just play it straight rather than be a wolf? He can look up the auras and report that. He doesn’t need to lie about who he checked that way

Why would that make more sense? I'm not seeing the logic.

Yes, if Tommy was the sorc, maybe he could just play it straight like that. He'd never find a wolf even though it's basically 50/50... It all has merit.

 

[shortkut]

On the fence with Cole or kut for the sixth, hence the edit. Both have been less active and acting a bit off.

My role was properly guessed by someone

 

[Tubby23]

My role was properly guessed by someone

Shit stirrer?

 

[shortkut]

Why would that make more sense? I'm not seeing the logic.

Yes, if Tommy was the sorc, maybe he could just play it straight like that. He'd never find a wolf even though it's basically 50/50... It all has merit.

I thought someone thought he was a wolf pretending to be a seer, which didn’t make sense

Shit stirrer?

That’s a life role as well

 

[Benzine]

I thought someone thought he was a wolf pretending to be a seer, which didn’t make sense

Hmmm. I was phrasing it like that, so I was missing my own context, sorry.

I think with such numbers of wolves they would still pretend to have a seer.


edit because i don't need to say i think and personally, stupid cuntzine

 

[A Maybe Baker]

My role was properly guessed by someone

Was it me

 

[shortkut]

Hmmm. I was phrasing it like that, so I was missing my own context, sorry.

I think with such numbers of wolves they would still pretend to have a seer.


edit because i don't need to say i think and personally, stupid cuntzine

They don’t need to pretend to have a seer when the sorcerer can do it. fewer lies needed to risk getting caught in

 

[shortkut]

Was it me

Did you see my response to your guess? If not, I’ll look at the next person alphabetically

 

[Dean]

My role was properly guessed by someone

 

[Cole]

Which of the two Tommy related scenarios do you think is simpler? Him claiming the mantle which easily could be done by someone else, or just being the seer?

I'm high or dumb, but I'm not sure I fully understand the question.

are you asking if I think it's more likely Tommy IS the sorceror false claiming to be the aura seer, or is he just a wolf false claiming sorceror false claiming aura?

if that's the question, I hadnt considered he might be covering for a "different wolf" so to speak. I'm a big fan of wolves claiming each other's roles, it shakes things up on death. I would think it's more probable Tommy IS the sorceror though, all due respect to him, I'm not sure he could do the double layer.

if that wasn't your question, you'll need yo rephrase.

 

[Benzine]

I'm high or dumb, but I'm not sure I fully understand the question.

are you asking if I think it's more likely Tommy IS the sorceror false claiming to be the aura seer, or is he just a wolf false claiming sorceror false claiming aura?

if that's the question, I hadnt considered he might be covering for a "different wolf" so to speak. I'm a big fan of wolves claiming each other's roles, it shakes things up on death. I would think it's more probable Tommy IS the sorceror though, all due respect to him, I'm not sure he could do the double layer.

if that wasn't your question, you'll need yo rephrase.

Mmmm you see, the problem is I'm not, for the first time while playing on this forum.

It's actually a dumb as hell question anyway, so don't worry.

 

[Cole]

They don’t need to pretend to have a seer when the sorcerer can do it. fewer lies needed to risk getting caught in

I disagree with this. claiming each other's roles is a great way to add a level of confusion to death of a wolf. it's a risk to add more lies, of course, but I think its usefulness outweighs it's risk.

 

[Cole]

Mmmm you see, the problem is I'm not, for the first time while playing on this forum.

It's actually a dumb as hell question anyway, so don't worry.

but now I'm curious, if not thst. then what were you asking?

 

[Dean]

Raposuh, Jawneh, Kat, Jon, Local Hero and Cole

There. My six baddies. I'm willing to go with this.

Anybody come up with a good argument against?

 

[shortkut]

I disagree with this. claiming each other's roles is a great way to add a level of confusion to death of a wolf. it's a risk to add more lies, of course, but I think its usefulness outweighs it's risk.

That depends on who you have for your team. Tommy cannot handle the lying, so it wouldn’t make sense in this situation

 

[Tubby23]

but now I'm curious, if not thst. then what were you asking?

If I can interpret from Kiwi to Aussie to US English. He is asking is it more believable that Tommy is the real Aura Seer or is he claiming Aura Seer at risk of someone else claiming it.

 

[Tubby23]

We are all sitting here spinning with no sign of Tommy.
You know how we could solve that and get him here to respond is if we all voted him to lynch. Either he turns up and convinces us he is truly an Aura Seer, or he crumbles under the pressure and we lynch a wolf. Alternatively he doesn't turn up at all to defend himself and we lynch a wolf

 

[Tubby23]

Vote Tommy Boy