Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Cole]

@Raposuh

what lead you to checking Alu?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Going back to the lists from yesterday:

Random claims:
Local & Tubby: Flagger
Kat: Body Guard
One of Tommy & Raposuh: second Aura seer

That's 4 right there, the maximum amount allowed.

I'm Seer Apprentice
Kelly claims Librarian
Kut claims (I think) Sheriff


Raposuh is now my leading candidate for sorcerer. That means I inherently trust Tommy. At least one of Local & Tubby is a wolf, I'd think. Kat has a decent chance - there was no wolf kill and claiming body guard protection is a good way to come up with an excuse why. I don't know if I want to believe Kelly yet. No idea on shortkut, quite frankly he was relatively useless yesterday. Hopefully he can come in and say what he was able to do.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

We know that one of the random wolves is the berserk. If Raposuh isn't the sorcerer, then the other random is the Shaman who decided to target me the same night the aura seer targeted me.

There's potential we have a kill role left (if TD wasn't the witch).

Interestingly enough, Raposuh made the suggestion that he check someone from 1-8 (I'm number 8) and that Tommy do from 9-16 (Local is number 9). So they were both at the very edge of their agreed upon range.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

@Dean did you say you're useless in terms of powers? Does that make you the farmer and therefore another random role accounted for?

 

[Dean]

@Dean did you say you're useless in terms of powers? Does that make you the farmer and therefore another random role accounted for?

Nah, I retracted that later. I was fucking around and hoping the wolves would leave me alone.

 

[Dean]

That being said, my role is guaranteed, but it can also be randomly generated. I'm about to just reveal my role blatantly tbh.

 

[Raposuh]

@Raposuh

what lead you to checking Alu?

I rolled a d8

 

[Dean]

I rolled a d8

A date?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I rolled a d8

So you had no suspicions on anyone in the first half of the list that you wanted to check out at all?

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (6 required):

Tubby23 - 2 (Dean, Local Hero)
Alu - 1 (Raposuh)
Local Hero - 1 (Smacktard)
Raposuh - 1 (Alu)

No vote - 8 (Benzine, Cole, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, shortkut, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

Votes to skip (12 required):
No vote - 13 (Alu, Benzine, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, Tommy Boy, Tubby23)

 

[Dean]

If six are required to lynch, that's less than a majority. Is that correct?

The wolves might have the numbers to literally steamroll us right now.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If six are required to lynch, that's less than a majority. Is that correct?

The wolves might have the numbers to literally steamroll us right now.

What it means is that we need everyone in the town to vote the exact same way, and not for the alpha, and then we need a kill shot tonight.

 

[Dean]

What it means is that we need everyone in the town to vote the exact same way, and not for the alpha, and then we need a kill shot tonight.

But even if we all vote the same way, if it takes six to lynch, aren't we kinda fucked?

I can try to deliver a killshot tonight, but the wolves have a guardian as well.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

There's a guardian wolf. So we need to force them to use that power and then kill one tonight, then lynch another tomorrow.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

But even if we all vote the same way, if it takes six to lynch, aren't we kinda fucked?

I can try to deliver a killshot tonight, but the wolves have a guardian as well.

There's only 1 lynch and 7 townies. So if all 7 of us vote the same way then no townie is lynched.

Additionally, if it's 7-6 as a vote then we'd know who all the wolves are.

 

[Dean]

There's a guardian wolf. So we need to force them to use that power and then kill one tonight, then lynch another tomorrow.

One thing bothered me about your post earlier. You said you were the seer's apprentice, but the actual role is Seer Apprentice. You are usually more careful than that, especially if it's your own role.

 

[Cole]

Alu gave you stated your role?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

One thing bothered me about your post earlier. You said you were the seer's apprentice, but the actual role is Seer Apprentice. You are usually more careful than that, especially if it's your own role.

Yeah I noticed that after but am abiding by the rules to not edit things out.

 

[Cole]

One thing bothered me about your post earlier. You said you were the seer's apprentice, but the actual role is Seer Apprentice. You are usually more careful than that, especially if it's your own role.

Alu is usually pretty meticulous. he's usually the role dictionary in these games...

odd miss step

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Alu gave you stated your role?

I gave my stated role.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Alu is usually pretty meticulous. he's usually the role dictionary in these games...

odd miss step

Yeah, it would have been an odd misstep for me regardless of if it were my role or not.

 

[Cole]

I gave my stated role.

yeah I realized after I saw Deans post.

 

[Cole]

Alu, tell me what the seer apprentice does. in your own words. I missed that role.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Alu, tell me what the seer apprentice does. in your own words. I missed that role.

It's a new role starting in this game. It does nothing (essentially a farmer) until one of the seers dies. After the first seer does, the apprentice takes on that role, but not until the day phase. That means I can't use the power the first night I'd otherwise get it.

If the seer who died is then revived, the apprentice loses the power again. However, the apprentice will once again gain seer powers the next time a seer dies.

 

[shortkut]

New list. I'm pretty sure it's game over, guys, unless we have a killing role left.

Guaranteed villagers:
Vash -- Marksman
Benzine
Raposuh
Dean (not a wolf (maybe wolf fan)) -- claims protector role
Tommy (delayed)
Jon (delayed)
Raine -- Warden
TD -- Tough Guy

Random villagers:
Alu
Smacktard
Tubby
Local

No claim/delayed claim:
Kat

Refuses to claim:
Cole
Jawneh
shortkut

I claimed random you dolt

@Kat Who was it that said Kelly had a good aura?

No idea on shortkut, quite frankly he was relatively useless yesterday. Hopefully he can come in and say what he was able to do.

Still useless today. At least I know no one attacked you, but they wouldn’t if you were wolf

 

[Raposuh]

So you had no suspicions on anyone in the first half of the list that you wanted to check out at all?

Plenty, but I'd rather use my power on people other than whom I'm suspicious of, because reads are garbage takes made up after the fact to justify conclusions your subconscious already reached. Everybody is sus in a wolf game, that's basically the point.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I claimed random you dolt

@Kat Who was it that said Kelly had a good aura?



Still useless today. At least I know no one attacked you, but they wouldn’t if you were wolf

Tommy said Kelly has a good aura I think?

 

[Cole]

Plenty, but I'd rather use my power on people other than whom I'm suspicious of, because reads are garbage takes made up after the fact to justify conclusions your subconscious already reached. Everybody is sus in a wolf game, that's basically the point.

I take this personally.

but it's also usually accurate. I like to random check too as seer.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Actually it looks like Tommy said TD has a good aura. Was Raposa who said Kelly was good.

 

[Dean]

Raposa also said Alu was evil, which he is denying.

Are there any potential shenanigans with the wolves that would show Alu as evil when he isn't?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Raposa also said Alu was evil, which he is denying.

Are there any potential shenanigans with the wolves that would show Alu as evil when he isn't?

Shaman, if one exists.

 

[shortkut]

Raposa also said Alu was evil, which he is denying.

Are there any potential shenanigans with the wolves that would show Alu as evil when he isn't?

Also blatant lying

 

[shortkut]

So it sounds like we need to get all aboard the Kelly train?

Kelly:

Kut:

vote kelly

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Oddly enough, I think TD might have actually been the Tough Guy. He was outed a having a Good aura, and if he were aura seer I'd probably have been notified that I was taking that role on moving forward.

Also blatant lying

Well yes there's this too.

At this point a lynch of a townie seals it as a victory, there's no "well we can go after him tomorrow" so lying about it and giving up the ruse is perfectly acceptable as a strategy.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If Raposa is the sorcerer there's no reason he would have lied day 1 about his read. It would at least temporarily gain the trust if the person who he read.

He also reacted to Kelly's first post of the day, which could have been a signal to the other wolves, or it could have just been him reacting.

 

[Cole]

Also blatant lying

yes, Raposa could be lying. Alu could have been shamaned. Alu could be a wolf.

we need to combine for this kill.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

yes, Raposa could be lying. Alu could have been shamaned. Alu could be a wolf.

we need to combine for this kill.

Have you been able to do anything other than sussing people out yet this game? I feel like the answer is no.

 

[Cole]

Have you been able to do anything other than sussing people out yet this game? I feel like the answer is no.

nah. I haven't done shit. just chillin. yesterday I slept until 430, today until like 2. then I get high and watch TV and occassionally post.

I figure I'll just call out everyone's bullshit until the truth shakes free.

how's your bullshit treating you?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

nah. I haven't done shit. just chillin. yesterday I slept until 430, today until like 2. then I get high and watch TV and occassionally post.

I figure I'll just call out everyone's bullshit until the truth shakes free.

how's your bullshit treating you?

So far it's great. The only thing I can do to "prove" my role is confirm what TD wasn't. But no one needs to actually believe that because his role was hidden. The ritualist is still alive and could likely confirm tomorrow, but that would require waiting until tomorrow, which we cannot afford to do.

Question for you - which do you think is more likely: kat successfully defended herself as body guard and prevented a wolf kill, or kat is actually a wolf and they either found the fan (potentially kat herself) or decided to not kill on the first night?

If you think the more likely one is the first scenario, where kat is telling the truth, then we won't instantly lose unless the wolves find and turn the fan tonight. If the latter, well that's no good.

 

[Jon]

nah. I haven't done shit. just chillin. yesterday I slept until 430, today until like 2. then I get high and watch TV and occassionally post.

I figure I'll just call out everyone's bullshit until the truth shakes free.

how's your bullshit treating you?

Game aside, I hope you're feeling better from your bout with COVID.

 

[Cole]

Question for you - which do you think is more likely: kat successfully defended herself as body guard and prevented a wolf kill, or kat is actually a wolf and they either found the fan (potentially kat herself) or decided to not kill on the first night?

I don't think there's a way to say which is more likely.

with the day 0 random numbers, there's no reason one is more likely than the other.

same as you being wolf 100 times in a row. or when Benzine got medium 12 straight times.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I don't think there's a way to say which is more likely.

with the day 0 random numbers, there's no reason one is more likely than the other.

same as you being wolf 100 times in a row. or when Benzine got medium 12 straight times.

Yeah, I agree.

Just trying to take a straw poll on how screwed we are.

 

[Smacktard]

vote kelly

Sorry to derail your one-track mind, but rub your two brain cells together and think how I would know Raine was the Warden (more importantly) and TD was the Tough Guy.

And before your one-track mind leads you to say "Because you're a wolf", I implore you to consider two questions:

• Who, other than me, could have been imprisoned last night?
• If I were an imprisoned wolf, what would've made TD not kill me while imprisoned?

And finally, one more question:

• Why didn't I use my power last night, when I admitted my role in my very first post yesterday:

(Sorry for tagging everyone. Had to make sure everyone saw. YOU still love me.. right? Someone?... Hold me ;_; )
SH(YOU)SH
SH(U)SH
SHUSH

So shush, shortkut. You're either playing dumb, or you're playing dumb.

@Anal Anniversary Adventure Activities Please do the leg-work for shortkut, I don't trust he'll be able to figure it out on his own.

Even if you still don't believe me, but you believe either Tommy or Raposuh, then there is either a shaman wolf or an alpha wolf. A voodoo wolf (wolf librarian) would not be possible, so why would I claim to be a shusher? I said I would make good today, but I didn't plan on being locked in a cell with -- get this -- a protecting role.

"listen to me or lose"

is this still the ONLY strategy anyone uses?

Much better than your strategy of "take potshots at every viable strategy offered to the town so far, contribute nothing, and leave."

Current list:

• Local's a wolf. Could be alpha.
• shortkut sus.
• Cole sus.
• Kat sus.
• Dean being illogical (fan?)
• Tommy OR Raposa sus

Alu and Tommy seem to be the only trustworthy people so far, so I'm going to make a final vote:

I vote Raposa. I urge you to do the same. Final vote. Final post for the day. Good night.

 

[Cole]

Zell keeps harping that people's "reads" are always wrong and the town is never successful in lynching someone based on a cold read.

but here we have Raposa making an outright commitment. he was already a "known" aura seer, who could have been masquerading as sorceror.

but unless someone tells me otherwise, using a seer role might be our only option at this juncture. we can't afford to be wrong either way, id rather be wrong and blame it on Raposa than on someone's read.

 

[Dean]

Yeah, I agree.

Just trying to take a straw poll on how screwed we are.

 

[Cole]

Sorry to derail your one-track mind, but rub your two brain cells together and think how I would know Raine was the Warden (more importantly) and TD was the Tough Guy.

And before your one-track mind leads you to say "Because you're a wolf", I implore you to consider two questions:

• Who, other than me, could have been imprisoned last night?
• If I were an imprisoned wolf, what would've made TD not kill me while imprisoned?

And finally, one more question:

• Why didn't I use my power last night, when I admitted my role in my very first post yesterday:

So shush, shortkut. You're either playing dumb, or you're playing dumb.

@Anal Anniversary Adventure Activities Please do the leg-work for shortkut, I don't trust he'll be able to figure it out on his own.

Even if you still don't believe me, but you believe either Tommy or Raposuh, then there is either a shaman wolf or an alpha wolf. A voodoo wolf (wolf librarian) would not be possible, so why would I claim to be a shusher? I said I would make good today, but I didn't plan on being locked in a cell with -- get this -- a protecting role.


Much better than your strategy of "take potshots at every viable strategy offered to the town so far, contribute nothing, and leave."

Current list:

• Local's a wolf. Could be alpha.
• shortkut sus.
• Cole sus.
• Kat sus.
• Dean being illogical (fan?)
• Tommy OR Raposa sus

Alu and Tommy seem to be the only trustworthy people so far, so I'm going to make a final vote:

I vote Raposa. I urge you to do the same. Final vote. Final post for the day. Good night.

and there's the strategy of "everyone's a wolf, I'll name half the players in the game, I'm sure to nail some!

I haven't posted a potshot of a single viable strategy.

...because there hasn't been one.

so far your "strategy" resulted in 3 civilian deaths and literally nothing to gain from it.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Zell keeps harping that people's "reads" are always wrong and the town is never successful in lynching someone based on a cold read.

but here we have Raposa making an outright commitment. he was already a "known" aura seer, who could have been masquerading as sorceror.

but unless someone tells me otherwise, using a seer role might be our only option at this juncture. we can't afford to be wrong either way, id rather be wrong and blame it on Raposa than on someone's read.

Well, I can tell you that the outcome of his read is incorrect (me being evil). Either he's the legit aura seer and I was also shamaned last night, or he's not the aura seer.

 

[Smacktard]

so far your "strategy" resulted in 3 civilian deaths and literally nothing to gain from it.

I was going to go to bed, but you are blatantly making shit up.

TD role claimed. Specifically. Then tried to cover it up. Blatant role claiming is exactly what my strategy TRIED to avoid, and if that hadn't been done, good chance we wouldn't be in this mess. He in fact refused to say whether he was guaranteed/random, and so refused to play along with my strategy altogether. Cute lil revisionist history there though, surely done in good faith.

My strategy would've avoided that problem.

I haven't posted a potshot of a single viable strategy.

...because there hasn't been one.

Ah yes, the "we're doomed, we don't stand a chance, better just silk and do nothing other than post about how doomed we are".

I tried that one last wolf game -- guess what: I was a wolf, and we were in a good position to win *then*, too.

 

[Smacktard]

And please Cole, give me something funny to wake up to:

Tell me how *not* voting to lynch Raposa is a valid strategy, if it's our best and only lead at this point, and sitting there, criticizing and doing nothing is a much better and valid strategy?

Flipping a coin > Doing nothing

 

[Cole]

I was going to go to bed, but you are blatantly making shit up.

TD role claimed. Specifically. Then tried to cover it up. Blatant role claiming is exactly what my strategy TRIED to avoid, and if that hadn't been done, good chance we wouldn't be in this mess. He in fact refused to say whether he was guaranteed/random, and so refused to play along with my strategy altogether. Cute lil revisionist history there though, surely done in good faith.

My strategy would've avoided that problem.

Ah yes, the "we're doomed, we don't stand a chance, better just silk and do nothing other than post about how doomed we are".

I tried that one last wolf game -- guess what: I was a wolf, and we were in a good position to win *then*, too.

you took the reigns of the game. you admitted to wanting to control the narrative.

that means it is on YOU to accept the blame for whatever the outcome is.

the outcome in this case was 3 civilian deaths at your hand.

also at no time did I say to give up. my strategy as of right now is to use the information we have to make a successful lynch. not just keep rehashing strategies to randomly hope someone finally has a correct read.