Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Smacktard]

But you really don't trust Tommy?

I really don't.

1. He reacted to my posts yesterday long before he decided to share his role type
2. He had that "role dissection" post researched, typed up, and formatted way too quickly
3. He checked the one person that everyone is most suspicious of and "confirmed" his aura, meaning the town gets misdirected and is more likely to vote for the wrong person today

 

[Local Hero]

I'm fine with saying Local is a wolf, I just don't want you to do it by misrepresenting what was actually said.

Hahaha, same!

 

[Local Hero]

Switching lynch vote to Tubby23

I vote @Tubby23

 

[Dean]

I'm probably totally off base, but super seriously my last post for a while

Tubby, Local, Cole, Tommy, and Jawneh

 

[Smacktard]

Kelly, as librarian, have you done anything yet?

I didn't kill TD when we were in jail yesterday, and I couldn't shush anyone today because I was in jail. Probably for the better that I couldn't, because I targetted shortkut, who I am suddenly much less suspicious of, and we would need his vote today to get rid of Local.

I'm fine with saying Local is a wolf, I just don't want you to do it by misrepresenting what was actually said.

What other reading do you get from his post when he says he had flagged TD, and then Spongebob blowing on a raging fire? The only thing I can infer is that he's implying he set the fire and is now trying to put it out (he did this, whoopsie).

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So, since we know there are liars amongst the fully random claims, and that there was discussion of who to protect publicly while there's a berserk wolf, who were the people who led the charge to organize protection?

 

[Local Hero]

Spongebob blowing on a raging fire?

This was commentary on how terrible a situation the town is in.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I didn't kill TD when we were in jail yesterday, and I couldn't shush anyone today because I was in jail. Probably for the better that I couldn't, because I targetted shortkut, who I am suddenly much less suspicious of, and we would need his vote today to get rid of Local.

What other reading do you get from his post when he says he had flagged TD, and then Spongebob blowing on a raging fire? The only thing I can infer is that he's implying he set the fire and is now trying to put it out (he did this, whoopsie).

That he said what he actually did and didn't realize he'd be notified of protection being successful.

 

[Smacktard]

This was commentary on how terrible a situation the town is in.

Why was your Flagger role relevant then? Why even mention that, unless you were implying that you redirected an attack meant for yourself?

 

[Smacktard]

That he said what he actually did and didn't realize he'd be notified of protection being successful.

This is the most likely explanation, right? Not that he fucked up and didn't know a role that he was supposed to have?

 

[Local Hero]

Since when is transparency not relevant?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

This is the most likely explanation, right? Not that he fucked up and didn't know a role that he was supposed to have?

He forgets a lot of shit in these games, so I feel it's plausible.

I'm not off the he's potentially a wolf train.

 

[Smacktard]

He forgets a lot of shit in these games, so I feel it's plausible.

I'm not off the he's potentially a wolf train.

Did you not find it strange how he had 9 votes last night, which suddenly dropped to 4 in a very short time?

 

[Jon]

This post is going to have a TON of assumption in it, so please take this all with a grain of salt.

If Tommy checked Local's aura and it indeed came up unknown, and you are fully convinced he is a wolf, the ONLY role he could possibly be is the Alpha wolf. Lynching him today would literally be a death sentence for our town.

Again, this is assuming Local is a wolf and you believe Tommy (which I do).

Personally, I will NOT cast a vote for Local because I believe both iterations to be true. If we lynch him, we lose.

 

[Local Hero]

He forgets a lot of shit in these games, so I feel it's plausible.

This has been the most true statement all game.

I'm not as blissfully and intentionally ignorant of rules/roles as shortcut seems to always be. But I definitely make a lot of goofs.

Which is why Kelly's statement is such a sticking point to me. Because I literally did not say I was the cause of TD's death

 

[Smacktard]

This post is going to have a TON of assumption in it, so please take this all with a grain of salt.

If Tommy checked Local's aura and it indeed came up unknown, and you are fully convinced he is a wolf, the ONLY role he could possibly be is the Alpha wolf. Lynching him today would literally be a death sentence for our town.

Again, this is assuming Local is a wolf and you believe Tommy (which I do).

Personally, I will NOT cast a vote for Local because I believe both iterations to be true. If we lynch him, we lose.

I get where you're coming from, and it's a possibility I considered, but there's also a possibility that both of them are wolves, and they claimed a neutral aura specifically to make us worry about this and shift our vote off of him. It's possible there's no alpha wolf at all, and if there is, it's not guaranteed that wolf is Local.

 

[Local Hero]

Did you not find it strange how he had 9 votes last night, which suddenly dropped to 4 in a very short time?

Do you not find it strange that TD went in 100% as me as a wolf when he had zero actual information other than me just saying who I was which was your ask by the way, and then later TD admitted that he actually had no idea that I was just vibes. Based on two posts.

 

[Smacktard]

Do you not find it strange that TD went in 100% as me as a wolf when he had zero actual information other than me just saying who I was which was your ask by the way, and then later TD admitted that he actually had no idea that I was just vibes. Based on two posts.

Yes, I absolutely did, and I called him out on that as a bullshit play.

And it may have been bullshit, but I believe it.

 

[Jon]

I get where you're coming from, and it's a possibility I considered, but there's also a possibility that both of them are wolves, and they claimed a neutral aura specifically to make us worry about this and shift our vote off of him. It's possible there's no alpha wolf at all, and if there is, it's not guaranteed that wolf is Local.

I agree, which is why I said my post was full of assumptions. I stated where I stand (I believe both Local is a wolf and Tommy was telling the truth).

 

[Smacktard]

I agree, which is why I said my post was full of assumptions. I stated where I stand (I believe both Local is a wolf and Tommy was telling the truth).

I'll believe Tommy's not a wolf when I see him vote for Local.

 

[Local Hero]

I'll believe Tommy's not a wolf when I see him vote for Local.

 

[Dean]

Did Tommy say Local was "unknown" aura (which Local said himself before revealing his role as random) or "good" aura?

 

[Jon]

Did Tommy say Local was "unknown" aura (which Local said himself before revealing his role as random) or "good" aura?

Last night, I went along with the plan and checked Local Hero. His aura was unknown. So the only way he could be a wolf is if he is alpha.

Confusion wolf really setting us up for nothing right now. @Raposuh what do you got for us?

 

[Local Hero]

Did Tommy say Local was "unknown" aura (which Local said himself before revealing his role as random) or "good" aura?

Just to clarify, yes I did say that I was unknown aura. This was actually a goof, as I got mixed up between auras and roles (guaranteed vs random).

I think you're referencing a gif where Larry David said "I am pretty good".

This wasn't referencing my aura, just me being silly. Didn't want that to cause confusion

 

[Local Hero]

For reference:

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-59654

@Smacktard, go sus yourself

 

[Smacktard]

For reference:

Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-59654

@Smacktard, go sus yourself

For reference, a counter-point:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

hmm yes yes, it seems to me that it's at... let's see... 2 random werewolves times 100% guarantee that one exists... yes the results came back from the math boys and it seems there is a 200% chance that there is a random werewolf he means from the random pool of wolves mate

gwforums.com

Go sus your own dang self

 

[Local Hero]

Did Tommy say Local was "unknown" aura (which Local said himself before revealing his role as random) or "good" aura?

Oh, I misread the syntax here. I thought you were asking if I had said I was good aura. Nevermind

 

[Local Hero]

For reference, a counter-point:

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

hmm yes yes, it seems to me that it's at... let's see... 2 random werewolves times 100% guarantee that one exists... yes the results came back from the math boys and it seems there is a 200% chance that there is a random werewolf he means from the random pool of wolves mate

gwforums.com

Go sus your own dang self

I don't know what you're getting at here. I've always maintained I was unknown aura.

 

[Smacktard]

Oh, I misread the syntax here. I thought you were asking if I had said I was good aura. Nevermind

Yeah I didn't know why you referenced me with the Larry David gif so I thought we were just sharing Local Hero posts with each other

 

[Local Hero]

Yeah I didn't know why you referenced me with the Larry David gif so I thought we were just sharing Local Hero posts with each other

Because you dropped a sus on my previous post.

 

[Smacktard]

Because you dropped a sus on my previous post.

I'll drop a sus on every one of your posts until I have myself a nice wolfskin rug in my foyer.

 

[Jawneh]

Holy crap. That was... a night.

.... and now to read well over 100 posts in the first 2 hours. Sigh.

 

[Local Hero]

@Smacktard: regarding everything you've said

 

[Smacktard]

Town, listen up:

I'm signing off, and I won't be posting any more in the thread until the next day thread, so if the town wants a shot at lynching someone that's not a townie, it's going to have to be Local Hero.

If I were a wolf, I would probably stay around and try to drive a narrative, see where the day takes me, see where the votes pile up. But I'm not. And I know Local's a wolf. And we need a wolf gone today.

You can play along and vote with me, give the town a shot at winning. If you vote against me, you're ensuring the town loses though -- or that you're a wolf.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Bye.

 

[Jawneh]

Jawneh gives me weird vibes and has the whole game.

You'll get used to it after another game or two with me. I'm a wild card, and if you look at my badge collection, it's not a bad thing.

Jawneh - Giving me the most sus vibes. Just seems really inactive, even compared to the norm, and something seems off.

I was being semi-active IMO though. I mean, everyone was less active than you sitting at the top of the chart for day 1. There were folks who were less active than yours truly.

 

[Jawneh]

So, what I'm seeing is that Tommy checked Local as unknown so we know that. Kelly is insisting Local is a wolf today currently due to the flagger slip up. If we take all of this as gospel, we're all boned. Local would have to be an alpha, so we need two hits to kill him. There's also the guardian wolf still out there, so even our witch wouldn't be able to help if we bang on him today.

 

[Cole]

Town, listen up:

I'm signing off, and I won't be posting any more in the thread until the next day thread, so if the town wants a shot at lynching someone that's not a townie, it's going to have to be Local Hero.

If I were a wolf, I would probably stay around and try to drive a narrative, see where the day takes me, see where the votes pile up. But I'm not. And I know Local's a wolf. And we need a wolf gone today.

You can play along and vote with me, give the town a shot at winning. If you vote against me, you're ensuring the town loses though -- or that you're a wolf.

Sorry, but that's just the way it is. Bye.

"listen to me or lose"

is this still the ONLY strategy anyone uses?

 

[Dean]

So, what I'm seeing is that Tommy checked Local as unknown so we know that. Kelly is insisting Local is a wolf today currently due to the flagger slip up. If we take all of this as gospel, we're all boned. Local would have to be an alpha, so we need two hits to kill him. There's also the guardian wolf still out there, so even our witch wouldn't be able to help if we bang on him today.

So do we go after someone else we suspect as a wolf but not the Alpha? If Local is Alpha, then it's a waste of time trying to lynch him until he's been weakened.

How does everyone feel about Cole?

 

[Local Hero]

Go to bed Kelly

 

[Jawneh]

So do we go after someone else we suspect as a wolf but not the Alpha? If Local is Alpha, then it's a waste of time trying to lynch him until he's been weakened.

It would be. We'd be dropping everything for the wolves and witch to deal with tonight. The witch would have to hit one of the other wolves for us to get another day. And that's not a great prospect on day 2.

How does everyone feel about Cole?

Cole is being... Cole? For better or worse. As much as I love having him be here supposedly COVID delirious, he could be either or. He's mostly been poking holes into peoples arguments, so it's chaos or helping us. How many more times can I say this or that. Twit or twat.

 

[Dean]

Well, we need to come up with a viable lynch who's not Local Hero. Any volunteers?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

When I have a bit more time in a bit I'm gonna to go through parts of yesterday again. Gotta confirm all the people who specified random roles to see what's up. There were already 4 accounted for before mine, shortkut, and now Kelly were added to that number.

 

[Dean]

When I have a bit more time in a bit I'm gonna to go through parts of yesterday again. Gotta confirm all the people who specified random roles to see what's up. There were already 4 accounted for before mine, shortkut, and now Kelly were added to that number.

It can be tough when roles can be guaranteed but appear again as a random, like witch, seer, etc.

 

[Raposuh]

I don't think wolves would kill the sorcerer. He was definitely good.

@Raposuh I don't suppose you checked anybody on his sus list? Seems like the wolves wanted him dead for some reason.

I don't know who was on who's sus list, however I bring news from my lunch break.

I seered Alu last night and returned an evil aura.

I'm casting my vote for Alu pending any other shenanigans before I get off work in 4 hours.

 

[Jawneh]

I can only think of Kelly currently. He should've already known that going after Local would be horrible.

Thinking if they're both wolves, Kelly would know it would take the two days and a night kill to kill Local as an alpha. For better or worse, as long as someone picks up on anything on Local it's mission accomplished. We would be in our current situation disregarding the berserker kill.

If only Kelly is a wolf and Local the flagger, they want it gone fairly early on via lynching. We already had a game the flagger murdered the solo killer. Later in the game when most of the town and wolves are semi known, it becomes harder for the wolves to pick a kill without just killing themselves.

And like I said, if Kelly is town and Local a wolf, he'd push on Local, but also saying to keep in mind what happens if we try to lynch him now. Which I think he only accepted after someone else said it? I need to go double check that.


An alternative beyond Kelly was Tommy today? Not a seer / maybe sorcerer? Wasn't that again Kelly pushing something?

 

[Dean]

I don't know who was on who's sus list, however I bring news from my lunch break.

I seered Alu last night and returned an evil aura.

I'm casting my vote for Alu pending any other shenanigans before I get off work in 4 hours.

@Anal Anniversary Adventure Activities any reBUTTal?

 

[Jawneh]

I don't know who was on who's sus list, however I bring news from my lunch break.

I seered Alu last night and returned an evil aura.

I'm casting my vote for Alu pending any other shenanigans before I get off work in 4 hours.

Oh?

Unless we can decide anything between KellyxLocal, or maybe Tommy, this is something at least.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I don't know who was on who's sus list, however I bring news from my lunch break.

I seered Alu last night and returned an evil aura.

I'm casting my vote for Alu pending any other shenanigans before I get off work in 4 hours.

Looks like we found our sorcerer, or there's a shaman around.

I'm the seer's apprentice, so I can tell you that TD did not have seer abilities of any kind (or I haven't been notified yet) as any of these roles would be ones I'd transform into:

Aura Seer, Detective, Sheriff, Spirit Seer, Violinist

. We already knew there was no detective, and based on the number of random claims around, there's likely only a single seer (unless kut was actually claiming Sheriff yesterday).

Unless Raposuh wants to argue there's a Shaman around, he's guilty AF.


Voting Raposuh unless someone comes up with a better plan.

 

[Tommy Boy]

The only way Local is a wolf is if he is an alpha, period. Kelly is absolutely sure that Local is a wolf, but has not provided any meaningful info, including info that was "promised" yesterday. The only way Kelly will believe I'm not a wolf is if I vote for Local, which at this point, is illogical to me. I am my role. I have delivered two reads. It was not a waste to check Local because we can at the very least confirm what he said is true, both initially on day one, and now today.

I've delivered two reads and the only rebuttal is that I'm in cahoots with Local Hero. The person I was fine with lynching yesterday. The person I didn't switch my vote off of. So despite all that, I'M the suspicious one when Kelly has delivered 100 posts yesterday and then what, nothing today? Make it make sense.

Having a post that is articulate is not suspicious, it was not pre-written, and it happened within that span of time. The constant deflection is suspicious enough, especially aggressively digging into everything I brought to the table but ignoring the fact that Local did not claim to have successful protection. Multiple people had to correct this mischaracterization. Kelly is not ignorant enough to disregard that more than once. Be real.

 

[Dean]

It does appear that at worst, Kelly is being deliberately ignorant.

I on the other hand am just blissfully ignorant.