Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Cole]

Unless you want to argue that Tommy found out TDs exact role, communicated that to the wolves, and then they wanted to berserk him because it would mean he'd get no knowledge as tough guy.

I would, yes. I didn't survive long enough to do it with you. but I wanted to come up with coded messages so you could tell us exactly what someone was.

I vaguely recall talking to you after and saying how slick a code would be.

words in the post, a specific time it was posted at, the post number in the thread, reactions, hidden text, there's a million options.

 

[Jawneh]

I got like 2 minutes before my break is over. Lunch in couple hours.

Are we believing Kelly now though? If we believe him about Local being a wolf, we'd then have to look at Raposa being the real aura seer as yesterday Kelly was all about Tommy being a liar. And if Kelly is lying and is orchestrating this all then Local might not be a wolf and hoped to get him lynched yesterday. Lastly today Tommy suddenly isn't a liar, but Raposa is not the aura seer?

Unless this mess gets untangled, I'm pretty confident with throwing my vote on Kelly later today.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I would, yes. I didn't survive long enough to do it with you. but I wanted to come up with coded messages so you could tell us exactly what someone was.

I vaguely recall talking to you after and saying how slick a code would be.

words in the post, a specific time it was posted at, the post number in the thread, reactions, hidden text, there's a million options.

There's also two chances to just directly communicate exact roles to them throughout the game.

 

[Cole]

There's also two chances to just directly communicate exact roles to them throughout the game.

oh. well then yeah, exactly. Tommy could have told the wolves TDs role (if you're right) and berserked from there.

that still leaves the question of you though.

 

[Tubby23]

I'm not saying it is what has happened but there's a non-zero chance that, even with COVID, Cole has big brained us away from a lynch yesterday and exactly what he said could happen (3 overnight kills after a lynch) has happened.

 

[Kat]

There's also two chances to just directly communicate exact roles to them throughout the game.

Is it possible a wolf is impersonating a seer using info from the sorcerer, figuring they wouldn't get aura checked as a seer, and the actual sorcerer picked a random role to impersonate, knowing it was more suspicious but they would pass an aura check?

It doesn't change the math on either Raposa or Tommy likely being evil, but does throw anybody with confirmed good aura into question... Which I guess is just Kelly at this point.

That's feeling a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but it would be pretty clever if so.

 

[Tubby23]

So at this point 46% of us are not town. Time to shit or get off the pot.

Vote Tommy Boy

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Is it possible a wolf is impersonating a seer using info from the sorcerer, figuring they wouldn't get aura checked as a seer, and the actual sorcerer picked a random role to impersonate, knowing it was more suspicious but they would pass an aura check?

It doesn't change the math on either Raposa or Tommy likely being evil, but does throw anybody with confirmed good aura into question... Which I guess is just Kelly at this point.

That's feeling a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but it would be pretty clever if so.

Tougher but possible. They can't communicate other than through this thread outside of the two chances to directly do it. They'd need to signal somehow though reactions or other codes in plain view.

 

[Tubby23]

Is it possible a wolf is impersonating a seer using info from the sorcerer, figuring they wouldn't get aura checked as a seer, and the actual sorcerer picked a random role to impersonate, knowing it was more suspicious but they would pass an aura check?

It doesn't change the math on either Raposa or Tommy likely being evil, but does throw anybody with confirmed good aura into question... Which I guess is just Kelly at this point.

That's feeling a bit conspiracy theory-ish, but it would be pretty clever if so.

Further to this Tommy "confirms" TDs aura. TD is a guaranteed death Night 1 using the berserker and confusion wolf to cover it up. Vash pulling a Tubby Boy was a nice bonus for them.

 

[Local Hero]

I honestly want suspecting Tommy. What are the reasons? If someone doesn't mind spelling it out more clearly?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

oh. well then yeah, exactly. Tommy could have told the wolves TDs role (if you're right) and berserked from there.

that still leaves the question of you though.

My aura is good. So if Raposa is legit, then we know the last wolf is the shaman.

 

[Dean]

I don't think we have the numbers to dig our way out. I am tempted to ask everybody who hasn't claimed a role yet, why?

At this point, we've got a pretty solid idea who 80% of the players claim/claimed to be. It might help narrow things down.

 

[Cole]

I'm not saying it is what has happened but there's a non-zero chance that, even with COVID, Cole has big brained us away from a lynch yesterday and exactly what he said could happen (3 overnight kills after a lynch) has happened.

what's up with people giving me credit for these multi tiered plans that I wouldn't bother with even if I WASNT sick.

this shit ain't thst complex.

 

[Tubby23]

I honestly want suspecting Tommy. What are the reasons? If someone doesn't mind spelling it out more clearly?

I've given my short version of it. Comes down to pure numbers at play and that Tommy's claims can't be substantiated.

 

[Cole]

My aura is good. So if Raposa is legit, then we know the last wolf is the shaman.

good information to have if you die and turn up good.

 

[Tubby23]

what's up with people giving me credit for these multi tiered plans that I wouldn't bother with even if I WASNT sick.

this shit ain't thst complex.

It's barely multi tiered, I'm just saying to consider all possibilities.

 

[Cole]

we're deciding between who right now?

Alu - who raposa claims is evil
Raposa - for possibly falsely claiming Alu is evil.
Tommy - for being the sorceror who leaked TDs role setting up a double kill
Smacktard - general weirdness and need to control the narrative
Local - based off the word of someone we know wasn't a wolf but who admitted to not having any actual Intel on.

am I missing a prime suspect atm?

 

[Tubby23]

we're deciding between who right now?

Alu - who raposa claims is evil
Raposa - for possibly falsely claiming Alu is evil.
Tommy - for being the sorceror who leaked TDs role setting up a double kill
Smacktard - general weirdness and need to control the narrative
Local - based off the word of someone we know wasn't a wolf but who admitted to not having any actual Intel on.

am I missing a prime suspect atm?

No that's correct.

 

[Cole]

well we need to agree on one because the wolves are going to agree on someone. and we need to do our damndest to be correct about it.

right now I have to lean towards raposa being honest. there's not enough information elsewhere to make a severely educated guess and we need to lynch

I'm leaning towards voting for Alu unless I can be convinced otherwise, what are the others thoughts?

 

[Dean]

we're deciding between who right now?

Alu - who raposa claims is evil
Raposa - for possibly falsely claiming Alu is evil.
Tommy - for being the sorceror who leaked TDs role setting up a double kill
Smacktard - general weirdness and need to control the narrative
Local - based off the word of someone we know wasn't a wolf but who admitted to not having any actual Intel on.

am I missing a prime suspect atm?

I guess not. Lots of people laying low though.

 

[Tubby23]

well we need to agree on one because the wolves are going to agree on someone. and we need to do our damndest to be correct about it.

right now I have to lean towards raposa being honest. there's not enough information elsewhere to make a severely educated guess and we need to lynch

I'm leaning towards voting for Alu unless I can be convinced otherwise, what are the others thoughts?

In my opinion, it's between him and Tommy. And I currently lean towards Tommy based on his cleared player (TD) being killed with confusion. If the majority feel Raposa is a better candidate I will vote with that option.

 

[Dean]

I don't have the brain power for this

 

[shortkut]

The Doctor doesn't receive one either. Certain roles receive night time prompts to use their powers.

I have a nighttime action and in no game Zell has run has he required specific wording for a night action, only for public actions

 

[Tubby23]

I have a nighttime action and in no game Zell has run has he required specific wording for a night action, only for public actions

@Zell 17 without me screenshotting it can you confirm that yesterday I asked you a question about what you had meant in prior games when you said "if people asked for the PM info you might send to other roles."

Your response in short was you would send them the "nighttime prompts" as if they were a role they selected and I asked to receive the Flaggers prompts.

 

[Cole]

In my opinion, it's between him and Tommy. And I currently lean towards Tommy based on his cleared player (TD) being killed with confusion. If the majority feel Raposa is a better candidate I will vote with that option.

it is a good line up.

I can agree it's Alu or Tommy here.

we have nothing on local except for TDs admittedly evidenceless accusation of him.

Raposa could still be the aura seer and All got shamaned (an option)

I think I'm comfortable taking the shot on one of those two.

 

[Tubby23]

I have a nighttime action and in no game Zell has run has he required specific wording for a night action, only for public actions

The specific wording is in regard to what Zell specifically sent to LH in his alleged role of Flagger, not in regard to how LH had to communicate with Zell

 

[Kat]

@Zell 17 without me screenshotting it can you confirm that yesterday I asked you a question about what you had meant in prior games when you said "if people asked for the PM info you might send to other roles."

Your response in short was you would send them the "nighttime prompts" as if they were a role they selected and I asked to receive the Flaggers prompts.

Wait... Why would you need to ask for flagger prompts if you're a flagger?

 

[Tubby23]

it is a good line up.

I can agree it's Alu or Tommy here.

we have nothing on local except for TDs admittedly evidenceless accusation of him.

Raposa could still be the aura seer and All got shamaned (an option)

I think I'm comfortable taking the shot on one of those two.

By All I assume you have been autocorrected from Alu?

 

[Tubby23]

Wait... Why would you need to ask for flagger prompts if you're a flagger?

You pushed that narrative not me

 

[Cole]

By All I assume you have been autocorrected from Alu?

yes.

 

[Kat]

You pushed that narrative not me

Wtf. Did I?! I swear you hinted at it pretty strongly once Local claimed it. Am I crazy?

 

[shortkut]

@Zell 17 without me screenshotting it can you confirm that yesterday I asked you a question about what you had meant in prior games when you said "if people asked for the PM info you might send to other roles."

Your response in short was you would send them the "nighttime prompts" as if they were a role they selected and I asked to receive the Flaggers prompts.

But his generic message was the same to me, just number and role were specific to me. I could have predicted the flagged prompt just using mine as a template

 

[Tubby23]

Wtf. Did I?! I swear you hinted at it pretty strongly once Local claimed it. Am I crazy?

I used one Twinning gif, and then asked him questions but you kept mentioning it while I also hinted at my real role.

 

[Local Hero]

I used one Twinning gif, and then asked him questions but you kept mentioning it while I also hinted at my real role.

I had no clue what that twinning gif was lol

 

[Kat]

I used one Twinning gif, and then asked him questions but you kept mentioning it while I also hinted at my real role.

... Y'all I have to admit, I'm pretty oblivious when it comes to hints. Does this seem legit?

Wait is that why you said there's definitely not two flaggers?

 

[Dean]

I thought Tubby was the Flagger too.

 

[shortkut]

The specific wording is in regard to what Zell specifically sent to LH in his alleged role of Flagger, not in regard to how LH had to communicate with Zell

That clarifies my confusion. You were becoming more and more sus until this. Now you’re just regular sus

 

[Local Hero]

Have we had a vote update recently?

 

[Kat]

Twinning gif and asking Local's prompt
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60297

Local is confused about the prompt question and asks for clarification, Tubby says he answered it
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60343

Says he agrees there aren't two flaggers
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60645

Somebody made a list of info gathered from the thread and put Tubby as a protection role and assumed bodyguard, Tubby said they were close but off on a few things (a few other things were wrong too so it doesn't mean anything obvious to me)
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60602

Cole suggested splitting up the list of people by numbers to spread protection without telling wolves who was protected, Tubby offered to take the first half, implying some kind of protection role:
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60522

I just looked at his posts in the "who replied" screen and didn't open every one, so I couldn't see most gifs or quotes, but I didn't catch any hints for him being a different role beyond "there aren't two flaggers" (which was in response to someone implying either Tubby or Local was a wolf IIRC).
Also I'm finally done working!

 

[Tubby23]

But his generic message was the same to me, just number and role were specific to me. I could have predicted the flagged prompt just using mine as a template

I accept that but the conversation with Zell was fractionally more detailed than I have mentioned as Zell also confirmed that The Flagger doesn't receive prompts to use their role.

I would assume that Zell usually doesn't have to prompt you as you're a very active player. I also usually don't get prompted

 

[Kat]

Can I just say cheers to Alu? A seer straight up said he reads evil, Alu essentially said "no I'm not but I can't prove it at all", and not a single person voted for him.

It reminds me of that game he was sorcerer, and everybody kept saying they trusted him, and when I asked why the response was "actually, I don't really know. But I do!"

Regardless of your actual role in this game, it's very impressive.

 

[Tubby23]

Twinning gif and asking Local's prompt
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60297

Local is confused about the prompt question and asks for clarification, Tubby says he answered it
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60343

Says he agrees there aren't two flaggers
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60645

Somebody made a list of info gathered from the thread and put Tubby as a protection role and assumed bodyguard, Tubby said they were close but off on a few things (a few other things were wrong too so it doesn't mean anything obvious to me)
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60602

Cole suggested splitting up the list of people by numbers to spread protection without telling wolves who was protected, Tubby offered to take the first half, implying some kind of protection role:
Post in thread 'GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1' https://gwforums.com/threads/gwf-zell-wolf-version-vii-2-rebirth-night-1-day-1.1005/post-60522

I just looked at his posts in the "who replied" screen and didn't open every one, so I couldn't see most gifs or quotes, but I didn't catch any hints for him being a different role beyond "there aren't two flaggers" (which was in response to someone implying either Tubby or Local was a wolf IIRC).
Also I'm finally done working!

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Having been the sorcerer the last time it was around, I'm sus of both the people who have claimed Aura Seer so far. I know there's one guaranteed in there, and there's a decent enough chance for there to be a second. But playing the sorcerer the exact way you'd play aura seer is the right move...

gwforums.com

 

[Kat]

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Having been the sorcerer the last time it was around, I'm sus of both the people who have claimed Aura Seer so far. I know there's one guaranteed in there, and there's a decent enough chance for there to be a second. But playing the sorcerer the exact way you'd play aura seer is the right move...

gwforums.com

A... Typist?? Hacker? Obviously it's not those but I don't have a better guess.

You don't have to say, I know I said I don't like role claiming. Thanks for pointing out the hint I missed so I don't feel so crazy, though.

 

[Local Hero]

Zell Wolf - GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

Having been the sorcerer the last time it was around, I'm sus of both the people who have claimed Aura Seer so far. I know there's one guaranteed in there, and there's a decent enough chance for there to be a second. But playing the sorcerer the exact way you'd play aura seer is the right move...

gwforums.com

A... Typist?? Hacker? Obviously it's not those but I don't have a better guess.

You don't have to say, I know I said I don't like role claiming. Thanks for pointing out the hint I missed so I don't feel so crazy, though.

I am straight up confused

 

[Tubby23]

A... Typist?? Hacker? Obviously it's not those but I don't have a better guess.

You don't have to say, I know I said I don't like role claiming. Thanks for pointing out the hint I missed so I don't feel so crazy, though.

You're looking too deep.

 

[Dean]

Random thoughts:
I still don't know if the Ritualist is still alive. If TD was the Tough Guy and Raine was the Warden, then they should be. So there's that.

If TD wasn't the Tough Guy, and we believe he had a Guaranteed role, then he was the Ritualist, and maybe he will be joining us again.

Going off Kelly's sheet/info we know:
Cole, Jawneh, Kat, and shortkut never revealed if they were Guaranteed or Random.

However, we have Eight (!) claims of a Guaranteed Role. That being said, roles like Seer and Witch can be Guaranteed in this game and Random.

We have four claims of Random roles, but probably more if we add in some other conclusions, not to mention the overflow of 8 "guaranteed" roles.

Kat claims she can protect herself and others, but said she doesn't HAVE to protect herself. Bodyguard is the logical conclusion, which is another random role, putting it at 7.

I don't know. Too much to think about. Too many variables with the random vs guaranteed stuff.

 

[Tubby23]

GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

I'm skimming this thread quickly between meetings so sorry if I miss or misinterpret something. @Kat Who was it that said Kelly had a good aura? It was Raposuh. Current list: Local's a wolf. Could be alpha. shortkut sus. Cole sus. Kat sus. Dean being illogical (fan?) Tommy OR Raposa sus...

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GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

I'm skimming this thread quickly between meetings so sorry if I miss or misinterpret something. @Kat Who was it that said Kelly had a good aura? It was Raposuh. Current list: Local's a wolf. Could be alpha. shortkut sus. Cole sus. Kat sus. Dean being illogical (fan?) Tommy OR Raposa sus...

gwforums.com

Also Benzine plain out said it so I think perhaps you are either way behind or being deliberately blind to it

 

[Dean]

Can I just say cheers to Alu? A seer straight up said he reads evil, Alu essentially said "no I'm not but I can't prove it at all", and not a single person voted for him.

It reminds me of that game he was sorcerer, and everybody kept saying they trusted him, and when I asked why the response was "actually, I don't really know. But I do!"

Regardless of your actual role in this game, it's very impressive.

Alu is a likeable guy, plays very consistently, and does just enough to look like he's contributing, but not enough to actually help anybody.

 

[Dean]

I don't watch Grey's Anatomy

 

[Tubby23]

Someone made the comment last game in the Dead Thread, Alu literally doesn't change whether he is bad or good or RK. He is the hardest read in these parts.