Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 2 / Day 2

[Kat]

I'm skimming this thread quickly between meetings so sorry if I miss or misinterpret something.

@Kat Who was it that said Kelly had a good aura?

It was Raposuh.

Current list:

• Local's a wolf. Could be alpha.
• shortkut sus.
• Cole sus.
• Kat sus.
• Dean being illogical (fan?)
• Tommy OR Raposa sus

Alu and Tommy seem to be the only trustworthy people so far, so I'm going to make a final vote:

I vote Raposa. I urge you to do the same. Final vote. Final post for the day. Good night.

So now Tommy has gone from 99% evil to one of the only trustworthy people, Alu is trustworthy for... reasons despite you previously thinking the person who just called him evil was the good seer, and Local is still definitely evil because he reiterated what he said he was going to do yesterday.

I actually agree that post by Local was sus, but so was posting a drinking gif while claiming he was only pretending to have a drinking tell. Honestly who can tell with that guy?

Why don't we believe Raposa? Do we suddenly believe Tommy now? Does that mean we think Local is innocent or alpha wolf?

TD role claimed. Specifically.

When did he do that? I saw a bunch of people claiming he got Local's name because he was a tough guy, but obviously that's not true because he didn't die at the end of the day.

Meeting starting, gotta go again.

 

[Cole]

And please Cole, give me something funny to wake up to:

Tell me how *not* voting to lynch Raposa is a valid strategy, if it's our best and only lead at this point, and sitting there, criticizing and doing nothing is a much better and valid strategy?

Flipping a coin > Doing nothing

"our best and only lead"

so your read and Alus word are the best read we have when we have a seer telling us who's evil?

what planet do you live on?

 

[Cole]

I'm skimming this thread quickly between meetings so sorry if I miss or misinterpret something.


It was Raposuh.


So now Tommy has gone from 99% evil to one of the only trustworthy people, Alu is trustworthy for... reasons despite you previously thinking the person who just called him evil was the good seer, and Local is still definitely evil because he reiterated what he said he was going to do yesterday.

I actually agree that post by Local was sus, but so was posting a drinking gif while claiming he was only pretending to have a drinking tell. Honestly who can tell with that guy?

Why don't we believe Raposa? Do we suddenly believe Tommy now? Does that mean we think Local is innocent or alpha wolf?


When did he do that? I saw a bunch of people claiming he got Local's name because he was a tough guy, but obviously that's not true because he didn't die at the end of the day.

Meeting starting, gotta go again.

fair point.

Kelly's only source of reliability is Raposa. who he wants to kill for being a liar.

so why are we trusting Kelly if we have absolutely no status on him what so ever?

 

[Cole]

Well, I can tell you that the outcome of his read is incorrect (me being evil). Either he's the legit aura seer and I was also shamaned last night, or he's not the aura seer.

any way back to talking with adults.

I fully understand your predicament. there's three potential outcomes through to Raposas claim you're evil, from your perspective whether you are telling the truth of lying you're only going to name 2 of them. either raposa is lying, or you got shamaned.

but for every one else we have to consider the third option.

you are a wolf.

I don't wanna be wrong here, but we need concrete information to go on, or it's possible we lose if the fan IS gone.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

any way back to talking with adults.

I fully understand your predicament. there's three potential outcomes through to Raposas claim you're evil, from your perspective whether you are telling the truth of lying you're only going to name 2 of them. either raposa is lying, or you got shamaned.

but for every one else we have to consider the third option.

you are a wolf.

I don't wanna be wrong here, but we need concrete information to go on, or it's possible we lose if the fan IS gone.

Yup, I have no way of proving who I am, which is a remarkably good choice of a person to target with this strategy. It's the word of someone who can seer vs. Someone who can't do anything yet. At this point all they need is a single lynch of a townie and that's it. We're already at the point of needing to nail things for the next few phases with no mistakes.

 

[Cole]

Yup, I have no way of proving who I am, which is a remarkably good choice of a person to target with this strategy. It's the word of someone who can seer vs. Someone who can't do anything yet. At this point all they need is a single lynch of a townie and that's it. We're already at the point of needing to nail things for the next few phases with no mistakes.

let's say raposa is the aura seer, and you were shamaned.

who would be your next suspect?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

let's say raposa is the aura seer, and you were shamaned.

who would be your next suspect?

If Raposa is the real seer I'd say Tommy Boy. At this point I really doubt there are two aura seers. No one else has tried to claim it so one aura and one sorcerer makes sense.

 

[shortkut]

Sorry to derail your one-track mind, but rub your two brain cells together and think how I would know Raine was the Warden (more importantly) and TD was the Tough Guy.

And before your one-track mind leads you to say "Because you're a wolf", I implore you to consider two questions:

• Who, other than me, could have been imprisoned last night?
• If I were an imprisoned wolf, what would've made TD not kill me while imprisoned?

And finally, one more question:

• Why didn't I use my power last night, when I admitted my role in my very first post yesterday:

So shush, shortkut. You're either playing dumb, or you're playing dumb.

@Anal Anniversary Adventure Activities Please do the leg-work for shortkut, I don't trust he'll be able to figure it out on his own.

Even if you still don't believe me, but you believe either Tommy or Raposuh, then there is either a shaman wolf or an alpha wolf. A voodoo wolf (wolf librarian) would not be possible, so why would I claim to be a shusher? I said I would make good today, but I didn't plan on being locked in a cell with -- get this -- a protecting role.


Much better than your strategy of "take potshots at every viable strategy offered to the town so far, contribute nothing, and leave."

Current list:

• Local's a wolf. Could be alpha.
• shortkut sus.
• Cole sus.
• Kat sus.
• Dean being illogical (fan?)
• Tommy OR Raposa sus

Alu and Tommy seem to be the only trustworthy people so far, so I'm going to make a final vote:

I vote Raposa. I urge you to do the same. Final vote. Final post for the day. Good night.

I’ll be honest, I didn’t see you identify them as having roles nor did I see you make the librarian claim… I also did not know Zell added a librarian to his game as well.

You’re still on my sus list, but I would be willing to change my vote if I see something

 

[Benzine]

(Not to point fingers or blame or anything like that, no dramas, just speaking it aloud to think about for future situations like this, please correct my small brain if this isn't on the right track) I think we should have investigated Kat last night. It would've helped to have a better understanding about whether we think the wolf fan was targeted.

This looks dire, the wolves certainly have the capacity to claim a win after today. This wanton killing... ouchies. The guardian wolf... ouchies.

Nothing uncontested enough to follow up with a lynch so far - please correct me if wrong.

Personally, I'm happy to lead the way on our demise by picking people to lynch with no real info. Starting with shortkut.

I would be interested in sharing the names of our roles at this dire point too. I want to see who tries to lie by taking over the roles of our dead friends without realising we know the roles. It's not like we've got an advantage keeping that info. If no one wants to for whatever reason, that's fine.

Hope you're all well,

Regards,

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If Raposa is the real seer I'd say Tommy Boy. At this point I really doubt there are two aura seers. No one else has tried to claim it so one aura and one sorcerer makes sense.

Outside of Tommy/Raposa, I'm thinking tubby and local are still highly suspect. This is partially a numbers thing here. Right now I can't say I don't believe kat, she might be lying, but she might really be who she says she is.

That plus me as one of the 4 random roles reduces the numbers greatly. If Kelly is the librarian and kut is the sheriff, then both tubby and local are wolves (unless Kat is lying). Now, can I know about any of them? Nope. The only read we have is that Kelly has a good aura. Which could be sorcerer (not very likely) or wolf fan as well

 

[Tubby23]

How I feel waking up today

 

[Cole]

again though Alu, you're ignoring something in the same way Kelly was and it reeks of desperation at this point.

the read on Kelly being good is NOT the only read we have.

because the person who said Kelly is good is Raposa. who says that you are evil.

and of course he could've been telling the truth once and lying once, but I find it weird that both you and Kelly want us to trust his read on Kelly but NOT on you.

Raposa making you IS a lead. and you can't trust raposas read on Kelly while also saying he's lying about you.

 

[Local Hero]

I think we're spoiled for choice on who to vote for, but not sure if there's a consensus on anyone.

Kelly? Tubby? Alu? shortkut?

 

[Tubby23]

A vote for me will lose the town an unlimited protection role. So I reckon that would be a fairly silly idea.

 

[Local Hero]

Personally, Kelly is most suspect, which I feel like I've been saying consistently.

Especially with his behavior of pushing for roll calls (even though it was guaranteed/random) then turning around and sussing anyone who tried to get real information from anyone else.

Also, if you were trying to get people to say that their role was guaranteed, considering roles like Aura Seer could be RR or guaranteed, it would have to be ritualist and warden. Two roles that are very dangerous for wolves.

A very good tactic for Mr Wolf that I don't think anyone pointed out.

Switching vote to @Smacktard

 

[Local Hero]

Fixed some typoes in the above post. Let me know if what I said made sense or not regarding the only two roles being guaranteed guaranteed roles.

 

[Benzine]

I have more time on my hands today. I should be in here a bunch. I'm going to make my own table as I go from this point.

Person	Role Claim
Tubby	Doctor/unlimited protects
Benzine	GUAAAARAAAAANTEEEEEEEEEEEEED

 

[Benzine]

Fixed some typoes in the above post. Let me know if what I said made sense or not regarding the only two roles being guaranteed guaranteed roles.

fixed some, left others behind. don't discriminate against some mistakes but not the others.

 

[Benzine]

what's your role lolcal

 

[Local Hero]

Mad Flagger

 

[A Maybe Baker]

again though Alu, you're ignoring something in the same way Kelly was and it reeks of desperation at this point.

the read on Kelly being good is NOT the only read we have.

because the person who said Kelly is good is Raposa. who says that you are evil.

and of course he could've been telling the truth once and lying once, but I find it weird that both you and Kelly want us to trust his read on Kelly but NOT on you.

Raposa making you IS a lead. and you can't trust raposas read on Kelly while also saying he's lying about you.

This is quite literally incorrect and you know it. Day 1 a sorcerer wants to gain the trust of the town as a believable seer.

Once it becomes a good time to go for the win, you use that trust to get a townie lynched.

He guaranteed yesterday that he and Tommy wouldn't read the same person by suggesting which groups they target, and that means there's no one to dispute the claim.

At this point one lynch of a townie is all it takes. So there's no reason to not use that trust gained from yesterday to get that needed lynch today.

The circumstances are different and there was a 3 person swing between yesterday and today, so it's absolutely reasonably to go from telling the truth as the sorcerer to lying to get someone lynched.

That you don't see this is making me highly suspect of you. Normally you'd jump all over possible strategies and not just go with "how can someone tell the truth once and then lie after that?"

 

[Benzine]

You are not the flagger

 

[Local Hero]

You are not the flagger

What about mad flagger?

Also why?

 

[Tubby23]

You are not the flagger

He couldn't even properly answer what Zell's prompt is

 

[Tubby23]

If he were the Flagger he'd know there is no Night 1 prompt (like Doctor) and would have said so

 

[Benzine]

What about mad flagger?

Also why?

Didn't you say you used your powers towards someone already? That's how I know you're lying. But I'll put you on the list

Person	Role Claim
Tubby	Doctor/unlimited protects / maybe true i don't know
Benzine	GUAAAARAAAAANTEEEEEEEEEEEEED - and handsome
Low cal Hero	Flagger/liar

 

[Local Hero]

He couldn't even properly answer what Zell's prompt is

I asked for clarification of what you meant.

You mean his opening message to me? I'm able to drive to kids extra curricular activity, won't be able to reply for a bit

 

[Local Hero]

Didn't you say you used your powers towards someone already? That's how I know you're lying. But I'll put you on the list

Person	Role Claim
Tubby	Doctor/unlimited protects / maybe true i don't know
Benzine	GUAAAARAAAAANTEEEEEEEEEEEEED - and handsome
Low cal Hero	Flagger/liar

No, I didn't. Repeatedly I clarified this

 

[Benzine]

I asked for clarification of what you meant.

You mean his opening message to me? I'm able to drive to kids extra curricular activity, won't be able to reply for a bit

What activity

 

[Cole]

This is quite literally incorrect and you know it. Day 1 a sorcerer wants to gain the trust of the town as a believable seer.

Once it becomes a good time to go for the win, you use that trust to get a townie lynched.

He guaranteed yesterday that he and Tommy wouldn't read the same person by suggesting which groups they target, and that means there's no one to dispute the claim.

At this point one lynch of a townie is all it takes. So there's no reason to not use that trust gained from yesterday to get that needed lynch today.

The circumstances are different and there was a 3 person swing between yesterday and today, so it's absolutely reasonably to go from telling the truth as the sorcerer to lying to get someone lynched.

That you don't see this is making me highly suspect of you. Normally you'd jump all over possible strategies and not just go with "how can someone tell the truth once and then lie after that?"

no that isn't what I said at all. what I am saying is that you using someone you believe to be working for the wolves as your only ally.

the read on Kelly is NOT the only read in the game.

you keep ignoring thst, and I get why. either you're innocent and you're not going to acknowledge raposas claim because you know it's bullshit or you're evil and gonna lie about it for the same reason.

but for us, we have no reason to believe yet thst raposa is lying.

this would be the perfect test scenario except thst if were wrong here we could potentially lose.

but it is an option.

 

[Tubby23]

I asked for clarification of what you meant.

You mean his opening message to me? I'm able to drive to kids extra curricular activity, won't be able to reply for a bit

No his Night 1 prompt, what are the words used to set your target on Night 1. I'm not clarifying it more than that as it allows you to just make up a good lie

 

[Tubby23]

Confirming Raposa was not targeted last night

 

[Benzine]

No his Night 1 prompt, what are the words used to set your target on Night 1. I'm not clarifying it more than that as it allows you to just make up a good lie

When Zell sends me info he just says "you are the medium/doctor again and fuck off".

 

[Benzine]

Confirming Raposa was not targeted last night

don't protect seers dumb dumb

 

[Tubby23]

When Zell sends me info he just says "you are the medium/doctor again and fuck off".

He usually calls me a cunt.

But I'm sure Local got a prompt about how to set his powers, I'd like to know the wording

 

[Tubby23]

don't protect seers dumb dumb

If we believe the claim.

 

[Local Hero]

What activity

Taekwondo

 

[Benzine]

Taekwondo

I was gonna celebrate almost any answer you said and act as if that removed my suspicions but you gave thee most boring answer! I did Tae kwon do for many years. If my daughter wants to do something like that, I'm gonna suggest a different option.

 

[Local Hero]

You are number 9. You are the Flagger.

Like I asked contemporaneously, I wanted clarification if you asked what Zell sent or what my night action was, and you replied "I have my answer".

It wasn't much of a clarification. Now that I know you want what Zell sent as the opening message, here it is. He didn't call me a cunt, though, he must not like me.

 

[Tubby23]

And his prompt for you to use your powers? On Night 1 was?

 

[Local Hero]

"You are number 9. You are the Flagger."

This is the entire body of Zell's message to me.

 

[Tubby23]

"You are number 9. You are the Flagger."

This is the entire body of Zell's message to me.

Excellent. You may return to your family, any pending charges have been dropped

 

[Local Hero]

Excellent. You may return to your family, any pending charges have been dropped

 

[Tubby23]

The Flagger role doesn't receive a prompt to use their powers on Night 1. That's why I was being deliberately combative, if you'd have said "oh he said who do I want to protect and then target" you'd have been making shit up

 

[A Maybe Baker]

no that isn't what I said at all. what I am saying is that you using someone you believe to be working for the wolves as your only ally.

the read on Kelly is NOT the only read in the game.

you keep ignoring thst, and I get why. either you're innocent and you're not going to acknowledge raposas claim because you know it's bullshit or you're evil and gonna lie about it for the same reason.

but for us, we have no reason to believe yet thst raposa is lying.

this would be the perfect test scenario except thst if were wrong here we could potentially lose.

but it is an option.

I'm not ignoring anything. Please tell me how the Tommy Boy reads of Good on TD (TD is likely the tough guy) and unknown on Local change anything here? I'm the only one who is contesting the aura of what was read on me.

 

[Local Hero]

The Flagger role doesn't receive a prompt to use their powers on Night 1. That's why I was being deliberately combative, if you'd have said "oh he said who do I want to protect and then target" you'd have been making shit up

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Unless you want to argue that Tommy found out TDs exact role, communicated that to the wolves, and then they wanted to berserk him because it would mean he'd get no knowledge as tough guy.

 

[shortkut]

The Flagger role doesn't receive a prompt to use their powers on Night 1. That's why I was being deliberately combative, if you'd have said "oh he said who do I want to protect and then target" you'd have been making shit up

I don’t think Zell gave anyone prompts in their initial PM because I didn’t have any prompts. This could be a situation where we have a wolf trying to exonerate another wolf

 

[Dean]

I don’t think Zell gave anyone prompts in their initial PM because I didn’t have any prompts. This could be a situation where we have a wolf trying to exonerate another wolf

Yeah, I didn't get any either, and I could've taken several actions on night 1.

Sorry @Tubby23, I don't think this exonerates Local.

 

[Tubby23]

I don’t think Zell gave anyone prompts in their initial PM because I didn’t have any prompts. This could be a situation where we have a wolf trying to exonerate another wolf

The Doctor doesn't receive one either. Certain roles receive night time prompts to use their powers.