Zell Wolf Wolf Job System - Day 2

[Ants!]

Guys I don't think Vash is the fool.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

member of the Cult.

wait... what does this mean?

 

[Benzine]

everyone - we are voting Jon.

 

[Christina]

I haven't read any of that stuff before, I'm not about to start now!

 

[Ants!]

Is cult like a cupid thing

 

[Christina]

everyone - we are voting Jon.

We are?

 

[Benzine]

If you are the flagger, Fools, and did what you said, it explains why Vash did not die. And then Jon claimed to protect it. But Cleary that’s a lie cause Vash was cult.

 

[Ants!]

We are?

He always wolf

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Jon blocked me from murdering a wolf. I voting Jon out of spite (not because I think he's bad) until someone comes forth with information.

 

[Local Hero]

everyone - we are voting Jon.

Agreed

 

[Local Hero]

Cult Leader
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can select one player to convert to the cult. Conversion attempts are treated like a normal solo attack for the purposes of being blocked. A converted player becomes part of the cult team for purposes of team checks (such as Detective or Violinist). They maintain their normal aura and abilities of their original role. Converted players cannot see other players in the cult. The cult leader can send anonymous messages to any/all converted players at any time, but otherwise the cult members have no special communication. The cult wins when all remaining players belong to the cult. Instead of a conversion attempt at night, the Cult Leader can sacrifice any one of their followers in order to attack another player. If the cult leader is killed, all converted players die. Dead players are revealed as their original role as well as cult members. Converted players can win with the cult or their original teams.

 

[Christina]

Are we sure he was really a trickster wolf and not something else and trickstered?

 

[Benzine]

What I’ve outlined can be wrong - perhaps Vash was culted on the first night.

But, it lines up with “knowledge” we have - and we have basically nothing else.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Cult Leader
Aura: Unknown
Cannot be killed by the wolves at night. At night, can select one player to convert to the cult. Conversion attempts are treated like a normal solo attack for the purposes of being blocked. A converted player becomes part of the cult team for purposes of team checks (such as Detective or Violinist). They maintain their normal aura and abilities of their original role. Converted players cannot see other players in the cult. The cult leader can send anonymous messages to any/all converted players at any time, but otherwise the cult members have no special communication. The cult wins when all remaining players belong to the cult. Instead of a conversion attempt at night, the Cult Leader can sacrifice any one of their followers in order to attack another player. If the cult leader is killed, all converted players die. Dead players are revealed as their original role as well as cult members. Converted players can win with the cult or their original teams.

 

[Local Hero]

Could Jon be the cult leader? Claiming he protected Vash from wolf attack when he knew the wolf attack would fail?

 

[Benzine]

And then I guess the wolves were either targeting the cult leader to lead to no kill? They’ll have to out themselves slightly to stop the snow ball that is the cult leader.

 

[shortkut]

Dead players are revealed as their original role as well as cult members

@Zell 17 please clarify if this bypasses trickster shenanigans

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17 please clarify if this bypasses trickster shenanigans

No, it just means that they aren't revealed only as cult members.

 

[shortkut]

No, it just means that they aren't revealed only as cult members.

Need to fix the wording, regardless

 

[Benzine]

Could Jon be the cult leader? Claiming he protected Vash from wolf attack when he knew the wolf attack would fail?

If Jon is cult sk then he wouldn’t know if it was a wolf attack

 

[Fool's Requiem]

If Jon is cult sk then he wouldn’t know if it was a wolf attack

he would if he saw that I posted that I redirected a wolf attack

 

[Christina]

Does one know if they are in a cult?

 

[Ben]

Could Jon be the cult leader? Claiming he protected Vash from wolf attack when he knew the wolf attack would fail?

100% voting Jon, based on the role recap you just posted.

Although, depending on the order of operations, there could be a wolf out there who's already showing as the cultist team. If I'm interpreting Trickster right, that they'd have taken the team alignment of Vash, which would be cult at some point.

8. Wolf Trickster
Aura: Evil
Can select a non-wolf player. Can change the player selected at anytime via PM. If the selected player dies via any means other than werewolf kill, that player will appear to be the wolf trickster and the wolf trickster will take on the aura and team status of the player killed. MP Usage: 100

 

[Local Hero]

he would if he saw that I posted that I redirected a wolf attack

Right, fools openly said he flagged it and asked if anyone protected

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I hate Cults. I hate Cult storylines in shows and movies. Fuck Cults.

 

[Benzine]

he would if he saw that I posted that I redirected a wolf attack

That’s why he’s guilty

 

[Benzine]

100% voting Jon, based on the role recap you just posted.

Although, depending on the order of operations, there could be a wolf out there who's already showing as the cultist team. If I'm interpreting Trickster right, that they'd have taken the team alignment of Vash, which would be cult at some point.

Let’s not dwell on the trickster stuff. Just keep it in our mind for when we count wolves later.

 

[Christina]

I hate Cults. I hate Cult storylines in shows and movies. Fuck Cults.

I feel like there may be some unpackaged trama here.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

I feel like there may be some unpackaged trama here.

not really, Cults are still fucked, tho

 

[Christina]

What if there trickster wolf targeted the cult leader? Can it do that?

 

[Christina]

I guess a couple of more people might have died though if Vash was really the cult leader.

 

[Quagmire]

everyone - we are voting Jon.

What did I miss? Why?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

@Zell 17 if a player is converted to a cult, they can still die to a wolf attack, right?

Only the Cult Leader should be immune to Wolf attacks, no?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What did I miss? Why?

Jon claimed to protect Vash, but since Vash was a cult, some are under the impression that means that Jon is the Cult Leader. I just voted for him because he is the reason I didn't get the kill and that dimmerwit had to use a shot on someone that should have been dead already.

 

[Christina]

What if Jon is just another cult member that was told to protect Vash?

 

[Ben]

What if there trickster wolf targeted the cult leader? Can it do that?

Possibly? I think they can theoretically target anyone who isn't a wolf...

@Zell 17 could we get a clarification on whether someone converted to the cult is informed that they've been converted or not?

 

[Local Hero]

@Zell 17

I imagine converted players will show as "member of the cult" and the cult leader will show as "cult leader" upon death.

Are you and to confirm?

 

[Fool's Requiem]

What if Jon is just another cult member that was told to protect Vash?

that might be a possibility.

 

[Local Hero]

What if Jon is just another cult member that was told to protect Vash?

This role is wild and I love the possibilities

 

[Local Hero]

What if Jon is just another cult member that was told to protect Vash?

With his quickly you thought this through, are you the cult leader!?

 

[Benzine]

What did I miss? Why?

FR claimed to flagger protect me and redirect to Vash. But, Vash didn’t die.

Then, Jon claimed to protect Vash. This was suspicious but so be it.

Then we see Vash die and he’s a cult member. Being made into a cult member is the same as being attacked.

This implies that Benzine was targeted for cult, Fools redirected to Vash. Vash was revealed to be the cult member.

So, Vash wasn’t protected. Jon is lying about protecting him.

It is definitely possible that Vash was culted night 1. But we have no other evidence for any other situation, so you’d have to convince people that a guess is more beneficial than this theory. I’m always all ears.

 

[Fool's Requiem]

Also, isn't Cult Leader just the Vampire role in Local's game, except they don't stop die upon conversion?

 

[Christina]

Vash knows so much about Cults, I can't believe he got himself caught up in one. Tragic.

 

[Christina]

With his quickly you thought this through, are you the cult leader!?

No

 

[Zell 17]

@Zell 17

I imagine converted players will show as "member of the cult" and the cult leader will show as "cult leader" upon death.

Are you and to confirm?

Yes

 

[Local Hero]

Also, isn't Cult Leader just the Vampire role in Local's game, except they don't stop die upon conversion?

 

[Zell 17]

Possibly? I think they can theoretically target anyone who isn't a wolf...

@Zell 17 could we get a clarification on whether someone converted to the cult is informed that they've been converted or not?

They are informed upon conversion

 

[Fool's Requiem]

This implies that Benzine was targeted for cult, Fools redirected to Vash. Vash was revealed to be the cult member.

There was no wolf kill and no one else claiming they blocked an attack. I really think you were attacked by the wolves to make me appear more sus.

Also, being converted is not an attack. Flagger deflects wolf and SK attacks. So, like if you were Instigated and I protected you, nothing would change.

 

[Local Hero]

Yes

Thanks for confirming that you can confirm. Now, can you answer my question?

 

[Zell 17]

Also, isn't Cult Leader just the Vampire role in Local's game, except they don't stop die upon conversion?

Not really, because
a) They can explode people
b) killing people is bad