Zell Wolf Wolf day 4

[dimmerwit]

Oh hey Ants' read on night 1 was correct after all.

 

[Zell 17]

Alright guys let's do some quick recall here. There is one baddie left. We can remove all possibility of shamaning because shortkut saw Ants as TG, meaning that nightmare wolf was the lowest ranking wolf (no shamans). So all seer reads should be true.

Zell: Good by Tommy Boy
Vash: Good by God
Local Hero: Good by Vash
Jon: Good by marksman shot (canadaguy)
dimmerwit: Good by Tommy Boy AND Alu.
Christina: Solo Voter (potential baddie)
Alu: Good by nobody
Tommy Boy: Good by nobody.

Here's the problem I have: Yesterday dimmerwit says he was nightmared, but the nightmare wolf was dead. I saw Jawneh as the lowest ranking wolf, if there was a remaining nightmare wolf to hit dimmerwit then it had to be Jawneh unless Benzine made a mistake.

 

[dimmerwit]

So firstly, what happened to the wolf kill? Did FR protect? My flag was on Vash and he wasn't targeted.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Uh. Voting hahahaha?

 

[Christina]

Alright guys let's do some quick recall here. There is one baddie left. We can remove all possibility of shamaning because shortkut saw Ants as TG, meaning that nightmare wolf was the lowest ranking wolf (no shamans). So all seer reads should be true.

Zell: Good by Tommy Boy
Vash: Good by God
Local Hero: Good by Vash
Jon: Good by marksman shot (canadaguy)
dimmerwit: Good by Tommy Boy AND Alu.
Christina: Solo Voter (potential baddie)
Alu: Good by nobody
Tommy Boy: Good by nobody.

Here's the problem I have: Yesterday dimmerwit says he was nightmared, but the nightmare wolf was dead. I saw Jawneh as the lowest ranking wolf, if there was a remaining nightmare wolf to hit dimmerwit then it had to be Jawneh unless Benzine made a mistake.

No longer baddie!

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So firstly, what happened to the wolf kill? Did FR protect? My flag was on Vash and he wasn't targeted.

Someone trying to be clever?

 

[Zell 17]

I have looked into the crystal ball.

The devil looked back

Who specifically was Ben's check of Kat against

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So firstly, what happened to the wolf kill? Did FR protect? My flag was on Vash and he wasn't targeted.

Someone trying to be clever

 

[Zell 17]

I tried checking Kat not realizing she was dead, so then switched to check you because I forgot the plan and Alu and I didn't discuss beforehand who to check. Either way, you're 100% not a wolf!

Who was your check of dimmerwit against and what was the specific language used (same team, different team, mourning, etc.)

@A Baby Maker same question

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Different team than kat.

 

[Zell 17]

Hey @dimmerwit it's impossible for you to have been nightmared on night 3 unless @Benzine made a mistake (there can't be two nightmare wolves). Do you want to revise your story

 

[Tommy Boy]

Who was your check of dimmerwit against and what was the specific language used (same team, different team, mourning, etc.)

@A Baby Maker same question

Just said "Different team than Kat"

 

[Zell 17]

So firstly, what happened to the wolf kill? Did FR protect? My flag was on Vash and he wasn't targeted.

He can't have, he was rocked.

 

[Zell 17]

I'm scratching my head here something isn't adding up

 

[dimmerwit]

No. My theory is that because the nightmare target is selected during the day Benzine allowed it to happen the subsequent night even though Ants died.

 

[Christina]

We've had 2 violinist which is interesting. Not impossible. What's the checks?

Today Alubis coming in second and saying the same thing Tommy is. Easier to blend in that way.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

No. My theory is that because the nightmare target is selected during the day Benzine allowed it to happen the subsequent night even though Ants died.

So you had a nightmare about a dead wolf visiting you?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

We've had 2 violinist which is interesting. Not impossible. What's the checks?

Today Alubis coming in second and saying the same thing Tommy is. Easier to blend in that way.

I been watching basketball and missed the opening of this thread. We both had the exact same wording we received from Benzine as well.

 

[Zell 17]

We've had 2 violinist which is interesting. Not impossible. What's the checks?

Today Alubis coming in second and saying the same thing Tommy is. Easier to blend in that way.

They both only were capable of two checks thus far.

Tommy:
Zell = Vash
dimmerwit != Kat

Alu:
canadaguy = Vash
dimmerwit != Kat

And what you are saying is true, but Alu was the first to respond saying that the night 4 check was against Kat and that he was told they weren't same team.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

CG took my thunder and proved himself way better than I could though.

 

[dimmerwit]

The other possibilities are that Benzine just gave a wolf to the Sheriff rather than the lowest ranking one, or Zell is lying. And the latter doesn't seem possible since there's only one wolf left and Tommy cleared Zell unless there's some 4D Illusionist chess theory that I've missed.

 

[Christina]

Might explain a lack of a wolf kill. If your fake roll is violinist. No night kill means no read the next day for anybody.

 

[Zell 17]

Honestly if either of them are lying it's the best game of wolf they've ever played

 

[Zell 17]

Might explain a lack of a wolf kill. If your fake roll is violinist. No night kill means no read the next day for anybody.

bad planning though, because canadaguy died so they can check against him.

 

[dimmerwit]

Tommy was first to claim today. And whilst Alu did clear canadaguy cg did give a pretty clear hint about his role on day 1 which I'm sure Alu is perceptive enough to have picked up on. See:

Zell Wolf - Wolf: Day 1

It’s not that I want quagmire to live lol

gwforums.com

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Tommy was first to claim today. And whilst Alu did clear canadaguy cg did give a pretty clear hint about his role on day 1 which I'm sure Alu is perceptive enough to have picked up on. See:

Zell Wolf - Wolf: Day 1

It’s not that I want quagmire to live lol

gwforums.com

I'm pretty sure neither a violinist nor a wolf would have had trouble figuring out who was who after a day 1 where the SV revealed themselves and the SK was killed.

 

[Christina]

We can't have them check each other. Because it will just look like they are pointing figures at each other. We don't know who to trust on any reads from here on. This will not be solved by seer.

I'm inclined to lean toward Tommy being the real seer. If you are a wolf hiding as a seer, you wouldn't want to clear one of the other most suspicious people. Since Tommy came out first, it gives cover for Alu to just give the same read, as to not clear the other suspicious people.

 

[Jon]

I been watching basketball and missed the opening of this thread. We both had the exact same wording we received from Benzine as well.

How are the C's doing?

 

[dimmerwit]

I'm pretty sure neither a violinist nor a wolf would have had trouble figuring out who was who after a day 1 where the SV revealed themselves and the SK was killed.

Oh hey I forgot the wolf chat exists I haven't been in one for so long.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

How are the C's doing?

Down 3 with 3 seconds to go in OT. Game one of round 2.

 

[Zell 17]

We actually have time to lynch all of the unknowns (Alu/Tommy/Christina) without risking a loss.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Someone just random number generator it.

 

[Christina]

The only thing I have going for me is that nobody else is claiming the solo roll.

As dumb as it sounds. Fools really was my target as a headhunter. I thought Ants gave me a stupid task of trying to get a get a cleared townie killed. So I figured I would have fun with it and maybe Fools would die by some other means.

 

[Tommy Boy]

I would prefer to stay alive seeing as I bitched about Benzine taking too long to open the day up and then didn't do anything lel

 

[dimmerwit]

"Winner"

 

[Zell 17]

Alright guys let's do some quick recall here. There is one baddie left. We can remove all possibility of shamaning because shortkut saw Ants as TG, meaning that nightmare wolf was the lowest ranking wolf (no shamans). So all seer reads should be true.

Zell: Good by Tommy Boy
Vash: Good by God
Local Hero: Good by Vash
Jon: Good by marksman shot (canadaguy)
dimmerwit: Good by Tommy Boy AND Alu.
Christina: Solo Voter (potential baddie)
Alu: Good by nobody
Tommy Boy: Good by nobody.

Here's the problem I have: Yesterday dimmerwit says he was nightmared, but the nightmare wolf was dead. I saw Jawneh as the lowest ranking wolf, if there was a remaining nightmare wolf to hit dimmerwit then it had to be Jawneh unless Benzine made a mistake.

I want the other confirmeds @VashTheStampede @Local Hero @Jon @dimmerwit to weigh in on the logic here and make sure I'm not missing anything.

If it's between Alu and Tommy and who I thought would be able to better fake stone cold reads, it's Alu.

 

[dimmerwit]

The problem is that Alu is right that a wolf could play a Violinist perfectly if they just believed Christina's claim.

 

[Christina]

The problem is that Alu is right that a wolf could play a Violinist perfectly if they just believed Christina's claim.

...sorry about that...

 

[Zell 17]

The problem is that Alu is right that a wolf could play a Violinist perfectly if they just believed Christina's claim.

Both night 2 checks were good checks that an actual Violinist would check though. Usually wolves faking seer have trash checks (oh sorry, I checked the guy that died / checked the player who is almost certainly good / bad to confirm)

 

[Christina]

Both night 2 checks were good checks that an actual Violinist would check though. Usually wolves faking seer have trash checks (oh sorry, I checked the guy that died / checked the player who is almost certainly good / bad to confirm)

Alu did check a person that could either clear themself or die trying.

 

[Zell 17]

I don't feel really great about lynching any of the three. But I'm hoping I'll be congratulating one of them on how well they played instead of finding out benzine made some kind of error.

 

[Local Hero]

Who specifically was Ben's check of Kat against

Vash

 

[Tommy Boy]

Honestly, if I wasn't the/a violinist and was pretending, I would have probably said Zell was on different team than Vash because of how much he was taking the charge. I also think that violinist is a boring role to fake that isn't even that safe. I'll be honest - I was really confused why shortkut died during the day from the wolves and then someone else died from the wolves overnight. That tripped me up and made me mistake Kat getting killed. Which led to the next series of events. Couldn't check Kat, and Alu never followed up about a plan (not incriminating, just commenting, because I didn't either (but also didn't suggest it)). I thought about checking him because of that, but ultimately went with dimmerwit because statistically dimmerwit is more likely to be a wolf than Alu. So that is where I'm at. I hope that being transparent about my decisions and direction will help affirm that I am truly a boring ass violinist

 

[Local Hero]

I want the other confirmeds @VashTheStampede @Local Hero @Jon @dimmerwit to weigh in on the logic here and make sure I'm not missing anything.

If it's between Alu and Tommy and who I thought would be able to better fake stone cold reads, it's Alu.

 

[Local Hero]

I think the fact that Tommy said his read from last night first, then Alu followed with the same result, makes me think it's Alu.

Also, is Zell "proven"?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I think the fact that Tommy said his read from last night first, then Alu followed with the same result, makes me think it's Alu.

Also, is Zell "proven"?

Yes Zell is proven.

Also Tommy managed to post on here before remembering to say his read. At least I did mind in my first post of the day lol

 

[Tommy Boy]

Also, is Zell "proven"?

Only by me, I checked him first because of how much he was taking charge, but ultimately found out he was same team as Vash, and Vash was confirmed Bully. So I have blindly followed whatever he said.

 

[Local Hero]

Alu smells like a stinky butt

 

[Jon]

I want the other confirmeds @VashTheStampede @Local Hero @Jon @dimmerwit to weigh in on the logic here and make sure I'm not missing anything.

If it's between Alu and Tommy and who I thought would be able to better fake stone cold reads, it's Alu.

I'm sorry, I really have had shit going on and haven't paid much attention. Based on sheer chance, I'd guess Alu is the last wolf because he hasn't been bad in a bit.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Alu got real defensive at my stupid joke earlier so he's evil

Probably a wolf in the game too