Zell Wolf GWF Zell Wolf Version VII-2: REBIRTH Night 1 / Day 1

[A Maybe Baker]

8 Alu: way more loose and conversational than usual. Drunk. Leaning safe

I learned in the mafia game that being drunk is not the same as being evil.

 

[TD]

I would question what use tough guy has in concealing their role after it's been used up.

Something we finally agree on.

Everyone out here chatting and not voting Local is only rising on the sus meter.

 

[Raine]

2 Raine: has been awake too long without analysis. Sus.

I read like five pages before my eyes glazed over and I began to long for sweet, merciful death. It didn't seem like anyone bothered to hint at their roles in the time before Kelly's post, and... there were things afterwards, but, I'unno.

If that's a bust, here's a regurgitation of the obvious:

1) No one died Night 0. Ergo, in my estimation in order of likelihood:
1A) Wolves declined to kill (trying to avoid a potential RRV Spirit Seer?)
1B) Wolves got lucky, hit the Werewolf Fan, and bolstered their number
1C) Wolves got blocked

2) Wolves didn't Confusion out of the gate
2A) If 1B or 1C are true, they may have used a charge - and any lynch today will be masked
2B) 1A is true, Confusion was also withheld, wolves are playing conservatively because they think the town will be too passive. There's virtually no reason to not immediately burn Confusion Wolf's ability and create openings.

Unclear claim:
Raine

I didn't make the rules, how is it unclear?! /fliptable

 

[Smacktard]

Something we finally agree on.

Everyone out here chatting and not voting Local is only rising on the sus meter.

Why? So you can pull guardian wolf, make the town waste another day, and then vote on Local again tomorrow only so that we find out he's a townie?

Still won't claim whether you're a guaranteed/random role, despite making a claim about Local... why? Scared you might be outed?

 

[Smacktard]

Also I made my own damn chart.

 

[Smacktard]

I didn't make the rules, how is it unclear?! /fliptable

You said literally "My role is also a random role so I guess a random one lol" which is about as ambiguous as you can be. It sounds like you're hinting at a guaranteed role, but giving yourself just enough plausible deniability to say "oh no no actually i meant I was just random all along"

 

[Dean]

Dean: probably doesn't have much time left either way honestly unless he role claims hard

 

[Jon]

Ok, I went to bed last night and this was at 5 pages, only to wake up and it's at 10... Holy shit...

Gonna need to catch up now...

PS - You guys post too much...

 

[TD]

As a friendly reminder.
We need 8 votes to lynch.
We have 10 members of the town.
80% of the town needs to agree.

6 people directly have no benefit to killing Local.

I've arrived at my moms.

In case I'm not on before 11 and I die.

Local is a wolf.
My top suspects: Raposuh, Dean, Jon, Kelly

***Maybe Tommy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Hey I didn't make the rules

Wait I did?

Ain't that a bitch

 

[Dean]

Fuck it, I'll vote to lynch Local Hero

We will get some information one way or another

 

[VashTheStampede]

Fuck it, I'll vote to lynch Local Hero

We will get some information one way or another

Unless we dont

 

[Dean]

Unless we dont

You're really starting to grind my gears

 

[Jon]

Ok... I am not sold on this strategy. I also do not like being forced into revealing something I'm supposed to be protecting in self preservation. I was just part of a team that had zero unity however, and it cost us dearly. So as much as I am against this, because of precisely TDs reasoning yesterday, I'm going to take a chance on Kelly (please don't make me regret it). I am resigning to trust those with more experience in this game type. I am likely putting a target on my back, but I have a guaranteed role.

 

[Jon]

I am reserving my lynch vote for now, though.

 

[Dean]

The thing that makes Kelly's strategy tough for me (probably because I'm too dense) is you can have multiples of the guaranteed roles - seers, witches, etc - based on the random ones.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I am reserving my lynch vote for now, though.

 

[VashTheStampede]

The thing that makes Kelly's strategy tough for me (probably because I'm too dense) is you can have multiples of the guaranteed roles - seers, witches, etc - based on the random ones.

Kelly your strategy isn't perfect maybe we should just call it off

 

[Dean]

I went along with the strategy and have been keeping notes but there is a wide margin for error is all I'm saying

 

[Dean]

I have down 7 potential guaranteed role claims, which would be impossible, except the seer doesn't know if they're the guaranteed seer or random seer, for example

 

[Jawneh]

Hey, I'm dead center in both sus and smecks appeal. Nice.

 

[Raine]

You said literally "My role is also a random role so I guess a random one lol" which is about as ambiguous as you can be. It sounds like you're hinting at a guaranteed role, but giving yourself just enough plausible deniability to say "oh no no actually i meant I was just random all along"

I have lied about my role in literally every game to date. I want to lie about my role in this game, however, my overworked lazy ass didn't roll outta bed and I was the last person on the list. It would not be great to lie in that situation, particularly when I don't know what other people have claimed.

It looks like I should be filed under guaranteed. This of course narrows down the role I have pretty severely given previous phrasing, but given my propensity to explodinate towns that's probably okay.

 

[Dean]

My top suspects right now are, in no certain order:
Raine (ambiguous, not contributing, acting suspicious)
Jawneh (active but not really contributing)
Local Hero (based solely on TD's posts)

 

[Smacktard]

The thing that makes Kelly's strategy tough for me (probably because I'm too dense) is you can have multiples of the guaranteed roles - seers, witches, etc - based on the random ones.

It's not as important as you might think.

On another note, if I'm a wolf, then that means Raposuh is also a wolf, since he apparently checked me and said I was clear. Now there's a possibility that only he is a wolf/sorcerer, but it wouldn't make sense for both of us to put our skin on the line like that.

So, questions worth considering for the village as we go forward:

• Why has shortkut attacked all suggestions for how the town proceeds with a strategy, but provided no solution himself?
• Why has TD still not said whether his role is guaranteed or random, although he hasn't shied from making a role claim?
• Why is the town trusting TD's info?
• What happens when, whoever we vote for today, there is a guardian wolf play, and we lose one day of lynching? Do we try to lynch the same person the next day?
• What happens if that person we lynch tomorrow ends up being a townie, and after tonight's kill, a townie lynch, and another night's kill, we're at 7v6?

 

[VashTheStampede]

Raposah could have seen you as Good but you are either Sorcerer or Werewolf Fan.

Really weird that you seemingly ignore these possibilities

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

Local Hero - 5 (TD, VashTheStampede, Alu, shortkut, Dean)
shortkut - 2 (Local Hero, Smacktard)
Benzine - 1 (Jawneh)
Dean - 1 (Tubby23)
Jawneh - 1 (Benzine)
Tubby23 - 1 (Raposuh)

No vote - 5 (Cole, Jon, Kat, Raine, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Smacktard]

Raposah could have seen you as Good but you are either Sorcerer or Werewolf Fan.

Really weird that you seemingly ignore these possibilities

I know what my role is. Wait until tomorrow for proof. If I die tonight and my role isn't revealed, that's proof enough.

 

[Smacktard]

Updated list.

Guaranteed villagers:
Vash
Benzine
Raposuh
Dean (delayed)
Tommy (delayed)
Jon (delayed)
Raine (delayed, admits she wants to lie about her role, confessed she had to read through the whole thread first before she made a claim)

Random villagers:
Alu
Smacktard
Tubby
Local

No claim/delayed claim:
Kat

Refuses to claim:
Cole
Jawneh
shortkut
TD

 

[Jawneh]

Jawneh (active but not really contributing)

I'm infamously a slow burn. Just you wait dawg. Just you wait.

 

[Raine]

Kelly's note taking skill needs work.


But speaking of people doing the whoopsies while sleepy/drunk, given what he's said Local's options (assuming he understands what Kelly want(ed/s)) are seemingly just:
- Beast Hunter (lol)
- Flagger

...Unless I'm missing something.

Works for me. Sorry love, but Blood for the Blood God.

Voting @Local Hero

 

[Dean]

Kelly's note taking skill needs work.


But speaking of people doing the whoopsies while sleepy/drunk, given what he's said Local's options (assuming he understands what Kelly want(ed/s)) are seemingly just:
- Beast Hunter (lol)
- Flagger

...Unless I'm missing something.

Works for me. Sorry love, but Blood for the Blood God.

Voting @Local Hero

He claimed Flagger

 

[Smacktard]

Kelly's note taking skill needs work.

Don't worry, I edited the post to include a link to where you said exactly that

Also interesting though how TD, shortkut, and Raine have all voted for Local -- my top 3 suspects.

No one has challenged TD's tough guy claim yet, so I'm going to go ahead and put him down as "confirmed" for Tough Guy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

He claimed Flagger

Oh is that what the gif of the anti-semite was supposed to signify?

 

[Smacktard]

He claimed Flagger

Which is exactly the type of role wolves would want to kill during the day.

 

[Local Hero]

Works for me. Sorry love, but Blood for the Blood God.

Voting @Local Hero

Votes to lynch (8 required):

Local Hero - 5 (TD, VashTheStampede, Alu, shortkut, Dean)
shortkut - 2 (Local Hero, Smacktard)
Benzine - 1 (Jawneh)
Dean - 1 (Tubby23)
Jawneh - 1 (Benzine)
Tubby23 - 1 (Raposuh)

No vote - 5 (Cole, Jon, Kat, Raine, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

I give a local hero guarantee that TD is a wolf.

 

[Dean]

Oh is that what the gif of the anti-semite was supposed to signify?

That or horseback riding enthusiast

 

[Local Hero]

I would like to know where TD gets his info

 

[Dean]

I would like to know where TD gets his info

I think it's been well established it comes from his rectal region

 

[Dean]

So, Mr. Flagger, any big plans tonight?

 

[Smacktard]

Local Hero made a soft role claim right away, a strong role claim later in the thread, and is currently being targeted by 3 people I strongly suspect to be wolves.

So between Local and TD, it's he said, she said.

I still don't understand why the town is trusting a claim who doesn't want to play along with the pro-town plan despite making a semi-claim. Granted, TD has no challenger to his claim of Tough Guy, but it's possible @Kat or @Cole or @Benzine or someone else hasn't been following along since that news dropped.

Nonetheless, we need to get a lynch today, otherwise we're done for. I'd be willing to vote for Local to get this lynch done because we need some info. Sorry bruh.

But I still think y'all crazy for not preferring to go after TD or shortkut instead.

 

[Dean]

Local Hero made a soft role claim right away, a strong role claim later in the thread, and is currently being targeted by 3 people I strongly suspect to be wolves.

So between Local and TD, it's he said, she said.

I still don't understand why the town is trusting a claim who doesn't want to play along with the pro-town plan despite making a semi-claim. Granted, TD has no challenger to his claim of Tough Guy, but it's possible @Kat or @Cole or @Benzine or someone else hasn't been following along since that news dropped.

Nonetheless, we need to get a lynch today, otherwise we're done for. I'd be willing to vote for Local to get this lynch done because we need some info. Sorry bruh.

But I still think y'all crazy for not preferring to go after TD or shortkut instead.

If you think you can round up the votes, I would be willing to switch. Because I do agree, we need a lynch today.

 

[Local Hero]

Here's the thing. TD has said, multiple times, that for town to win, they just need to role claim.

Here he is, not role claiming. Conclusion: wolf. Maybe he had another valid reason, but he hasn't said

 

[Smacktard]

Something we finally agree on.

Everyone out here chatting and not voting Local is only rising on the sus meter.

This is the closest thing to TD explicitly claiming Tough Guy, and yet he wouldn't be that vague about it when I keep pushing him to be specific.

 

[Local Hero]

So, Mr. Flagger, any big plans tonight?

Edit typo: apparently be lynched*. I didn't flag target anyone last night because if I was randomly selected, I would just likely take another innocent townie with me.

We'll see what happens tonight

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (8 required):

Local Hero - 6 (TD, VashTheStampede, Alu, shortkut, Dean, Raine)
shortkut - 2 (Local Hero, Smacktard)
Benzine - 1 (Jawneh)
Dean - 1 (Tubby23)
Jawneh - 1 (Benzine)
Tubby23 - 1 (Raposuh)

No vote - 5 (Cole, Jon, Kat, Tommy Boy)

Votes to skip (15 required):

Skip - 1 (Benzine)

No vote - 15 (Alu, Cole, Dean, Jawneh, Jon, Kat, Local Hero, Raine, Raposuh, shortkut, Smacktard, TD, Tommy Boy, Tubby23, VashTheStampede)

 

[Dean]

If @TD is the Tough Guy and he learned something last night, does that mean he is for sure dying at the end of the day phase?

 

[Dean]

Kelly gave me a thumbs down and made me feel bad

 

[Raine]

Don't worry, I edited the post to include a link to where you said exactly that

Where's the links for everyone else?!

I went and tabbed through Local's posts just because people seemed keen on doing him in. Find them kernels for me!

If @TD is the Tough Guy and he learned something last night, does that mean he is for sure dying at the end of the day phase?

Yes.

The Ritualist can place the Spell on him right now, and if he dies he'll be revived. They can put the spell onto someone else if the phase ends and he's still alive, and nothing bad will happen.

That was the, uh... defense posturing I was doing in the Illusionist game.

 

[Dean]

It doesn't seem worth lynching TD today. He will expose himself (giggity) if he isn't the Tough Guy.

I'm going to stick with our Local Hero.

 

[Local Hero]

It doesn't seem worth lynching TD today. He will expose himself (giggity) if he isn't the Tough Guy.

I'm going to stick with our Local Hero.