Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 5 / Day 5

[A Maybe Baker]

Wolves can't kill the illusionist at night. Dean may or may not have moved his target, so we can't legitimately kill someone at night now either.

 

[TD]

It was also the only way to guarantee an evil victory, which like I said I'm gunning for.

 

[Zell 17]

We can also just not have kut killed and you would win outright. But then it could be funny where you're the last one alive for like 2 seconds, win, but then die by avenger kill.

This scenario (Illusionist and avenger last, Illusionist kills avenger who tags Illusionist) would result in a tie. Check first post:

“It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed”

 

[A Maybe Baker]

This scenario (Illusionist and avenger last, Illusionist kills avenger who tags Illusionist) would result in a tie. Check first post:

“It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed”

So... everyone wins?

 

[Dean]

Wolves can't kill the illusionist at night. Dean may or may not have moved his target, so we can't legitimately kill someone at night now either.

Exactly the point of me moving it, especially since I confirmed with Zell that my trap would be set and ready to activate prior to a wolf kill.

 

[Benzine]

I have finished my breakfast now

 

[shortkut]

@shortkut got any amazing plans?

Yes, take out a baddie. @Dean do not skip until everyone has voted. I have thoughts being thought

I should have zeroed in on Alu sooner and not bought into the Marksman BS. I didn't want to believe it, but I got swept up with other people.

I hoped Alu believed that I thought he was townie and didn’t kill me, I think it worked

 

[Zell 17]

So... everyone wins?

Even better….everyone loses!

 

[Dean]

I'm gonna leave my vote on Alu and go back to putting this bed together before my wife gets mad

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Even better….everyone loses!

Perfect. A townie loss.

 

[shortkut]

This scenario (Illusionist and avenger last, Illusionist kills avenger who tags Illusionist) would result in a tie. Check first post:

“It is possible, if very unlikely, for the game to end in a tie if every single player is killed”

@TD this actually sounds fun. If you are the illusionist, let’s make it happen. You get the same result either way, so at least let’s have fun and outplay the wolves

 

[TD]

@TD this actually sounds fun. If you are the illusionist, let’s make it happen. You get the same result either way, so at least let’s have fun and outplay the wolves

If I was the Illusionist, with how this game went I'm here for it.

But how do I know the wolves would be?

 

[shortkut]

If I was the Illusionist, with how this game went I'm here for it.

But how do I know the wolves would be?

fuck the wolves (not in that way) #teamtubby

Kill Alu via lynch, and you keep disguising everyone. Then we have one more wolf to get

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If I was the Illusionist, with how this game went I'm here for it.

But how do I know the wolves would be?

Because the only path to victory for us is if kut is killed prior to the end of the game and targets you? With Dean's trap potentially on kut, we can't kill him at night and it would only be possible in the day.

 

[TD]

There is no us.

 

[TD]

And playing to a win condition in this situation becomes..

Let's just say. Challenging.

 

[Benzine]

I am upset that the town elected to skip the day so brazenly and not take the time to consider what would happen.

You're basing so much information still on Raine's numbers... 90% sure is not sure. You are either sure or not. The information that's come through that pipeline has never actually been anything certain. Dean has done fkn nothing all game and is getting vouched for by wolves lmao.

Wolves doing tricksy things brazenly in front of us.

Yesterday we had 7 people alive where we know 1 of them is an illusionist at least, and the town decides to go for a wolf... Who doesn't die.

As if TD isn't taking this offer. It's clearly him now, if it wasn't before.

 

[TD]

I guess it depends how the wolves feel about my ability to make reads.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I actually spelled out exactly what the plan would be yesterday if the Illusionist were still here with two wolves

 

[shortkut]

I am upset that the town elected to skip the day so brazenly and not take the time to consider what would happen.

You're basing so much information still on Raine's numbers... 90% sure is not sure. You are either sure or not. The information that's come through that pipeline has never actually been anything certain. Dean has done fkn nothing all game and is getting vouched for by wolves lmao.

Wolves doing tricksy things brazenly in front of us.

Yesterday we had 7 people alive where we know 1 of them is an illusionist at least, and the town decides to go for a wolf... Who doesn't die.

As if TD isn't taking this offer. It's clearly him now, if it wasn't before.

The town has to work with the RK to win.

@TD do you have either Alu or Benzine disguised right now?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I guess it depends how the wolves feel about my ability to make reads.

Why would that make a difference at this point? Do you need to read anything?

You can set off a BH trap without dying and then get the person the next night with no trap in place.

 

[Benzine]

6 people 3v3 and they're offering TD the win. There's nothing the town can do to stop it. Joy.

The town has to work with the RK to win.

@TD do you have either Alu or Benzine disguised right now?

1, no they don't, 2, i'm not a wolf.

 

[TD]

The town has to work with the RK to win.

@TD do you have either Alu or Benzine disguised right now?

How do you feel about my ability to make reads?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

The town has to work with the RK to win.

@TD do you have either Alu or Benzine disguised right now?

Not yesterday you didn't. If Raine had left TD dead and set the revive on either herself or Jawneh (or vash) you would have easily had the numbers.

Even yesterday, if you took out TD again it would be 3-2 right now town to wolves. Kill the single shot wolf in lynch, then attack me the next day 2-1. You and Dean would both kill me if I tried to hit you at night. I wouldn't have been able to win.

It was a townie win in sight.

 

[shortkut]

I actually spelled out exactly what the plan would be yesterday if the Illusionist were still here with two wolves

I guess it comes down to which of us is more persuasive

How do you feel about my ability to make reads?

Depends on who you have disguises on

@Zell 17 - clarification: if everyone placed a vote and then the illusionist kills all disguised people, would the votes still count or only for the survivors?

 

[TD]

Why would that make a difference at this point? Do you need to read anything?

You can set off a BH trap without dying and then get the person the next night with no trap in place.

...after what Kelly did at the beginning of day 2, why trust you?

We play to our win conditions.

 

[TD]

For those who haven't figured it out.

I'm the Illusionist and Alu has been illusioned.

 

[shortkut]

Not yesterday you didn't. If Raine had left TD dead and set the revive on either herself or Jawneh (or vash) you would have easily had the numbers.

Yes but that already happened so here we are

Even yesterday, if you took out TD again it would be 3-2 right now town to wolves. Kill the single shot wolf in lynch, then attack me the next day 2-1. You and Dean would both kill me if I tried to hit you at night. I wouldn't have been able to win.

Only if the last wolf was known. It’s easy to create a winning strategy with the added bonus of hindsight and extra knowledge

 

[A Maybe Baker]

...after what Kelly did at the beginning of day 2, why trust you?

We play to our win conditions.

I can switch my vote to Dean if it makes you feel better. That way kut can't be killed in the day.

 

[Benzine]

no doy

 

[shortkut]

For those who haven't figured it out.

I'm the Illusionist and Alu has been illusioned.

Take him out now, end this charade

 

[A Maybe Baker]

For those who haven't figured it out.

I'm the Illusionist and Alu has been illusioned.

And there's the pickle for you. If I'm lynched you're behind a day.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

If you kill me, you're lynched and you lose.

 

[TD]

By the way.. wolves.

I hope you know what made me flip on you so early.

 

[Benzine]

Take him out now, end this charade

Take a moment to read what's going on man...

 

[shortkut]

By the way.. wolves.

I hope you know what made me flip on you so early.

Probably what made @VashTheStampede flip on us?

 

[shortkut]

Take a moment to read what's going on man...

Alu gone means one wolf and one illusionist remain

 

[VashTheStampede]

Is this where I tell the random killer how to beat the town and the wolves?

 

[Benzine]

Alu gone means one wolf and one illusionist remain

And then what happens?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Alu gone means one wolf and one illusionist remain

And you lynch the Illusionist and then figure out who the wolf is and win as the town.

 

[VashTheStampede]

And then what happens?

 

[TD]

I play to my win condition.

I will leave the entire place in nothing but ashes, if I must.

 

[TD]

So here's my situation to paint it clearly.

I snap, I'm outnumbered, I die.

I don't snap?
shortkut kills me.

 

[TD]

The moment I snap my fingers.

The town wins.

 

[TD]

Not me.

The town.

 

[TD]

 

[Benzine]

Obviously.

Which is why the town should be ashamed.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Not me.

The town.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Obviously.

Which is why the town should be ashamed.

Okay I'm sorry, what did I do wrong?

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Not me.

The town.

How?

You tag everyone before that happens and everyone dies. Town doesn't win.

Dean moved his target, and potentially to kut. The only way kut can die is through being lynched or by your finger snap (which can simultaneously kill every other player in the game).