Zell Wolf GWF Wolf Version VII Night 4 / Day 4

[Dean]

Kelly lied on their loved one. They were the Blind Wolf.

I'm not lying. I'm the Beast Hunter. I'm also a pussy.

 

[VashTheStampede]

So... we absolutely have to discuss this after the game ends. Because, uh, yeah, one of them very blatantly did.

Is it bad on me if I knew Kelly was lying the whole time?

I felt really shitty about my mind going there but now I'm vindicated and it still feels shitty.

SO FAR THIS DAY IS NOT MAKING ME HAPPY

 

[A Maybe Baker]

Actually - I think the most likely option is that Raine was tricked into thinking TD was illusioned.

 

[Zell 17]

Also if Dean AND Kelly pulled some "lying on my loved ones" shit, then it's adios brochachos.

Is swearing off your dearest loved one better or worse than Suikoden II potentially not being the best JRPG???

 

[A Maybe Baker]

My brain has settled. It has to be that. TD was all over the place with claiming roles instead of just sticking to 1.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Ritualist can revive anyone. Basically it prevents them from losing their ability if the player they select is disguised, corrupted, or marked as ???? because of confusion. But the risk is they could revive an evil.

The medium doesn't lose their ability in these situations, because they can pick people to revive after they have positive knowledge of who they are.

Okay that's cool to say that now but I still personally kind of feel like it's bullshit. Honestly I mean no offense, I just feel aggrieved.

SO FAR THIS DAY CONTINUES TO MAKE ME UNHAPPY

 

[Raine]

Is it bad on me if I knew Kelly was lying the whole time?

I felt really shitty about my mind going there but now I'm vindicated and it still feels shitty.

SO FAR THIS DAY IS NOT MAKING ME HAPPY

I convinced myself he was telling the truth because I didn't want this to get personal like that. So... yes, I feel you.

Incidentally...

This post is impossible. A Sheriff can not see 2 Wolves.

Zell Wolf - GWF Wolf Version VII Night 3 / Day 3

If you were disguised by the illusionist, but the illusionist died prior to benzine learning your identity, you wouldn’t be disguised anymore so that limits our options. @Zell 17 confirmation on this paragraph please. I remember someone mentioning it earlier, but I didn’t catch if you confirmed...

gwforums.com

...Actually maybe that's not true. It says "Any Role."

Zell 17 is it possible for a Sheriff to be given a second wolf as the random?

Yes

 

[Dean]

I feel like voting for Benzine, Alu, or TD.

We know Raine is the Ritualist... or well, "know" as much as you can in this game.

I know I'm the Beast Hunter, even if you guys don't believe me.

Smacktard and Benzine were kinda together on some shit.

Alu has been hard to trust. So has TD.

Alu, why don't you shoot either Benzine or TD tonight, assuming you have one of them targeted? And we can lynch the other.

Hopefully you are all correct that Local Hero was the Fool.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Is swearing off your dearest loved one better or worse than Suikoden II potentially not being the best JRPG???

Surely one can see one of those as parody

 

[Dean]

Hey @Raine and @TD do we know for sure the Fool is dead?

 

[shortkut]

kut DID openly refute Kelly and LH calling me the Illusionist...

That’s because I said you were the fool. Notice who is throwing me under the bus. I am who I said I am

 

[Zell 17]

Okay that's cool to say that now but I still personally kind of feel like it's bullshit. Honestly I mean no offense, I just feel aggrieved.

SO FAR THIS DAY CONTINUES TO MAKE ME UNHAPPY

I don't even remember why you wanted to do it honestly. We can talk about allowing the medium to revive evils but I can't think of a reason a medium would want to revive a proven wolf (even if coupled, like you were).

 

[Dean]

That’s because I said you were the fool. Notice who is throwing me under the bus. I am who I said I am

So how is the avenging business going? Or is it the flagging business?

 

[Raine]

Hey @Raine and @TD do we know for sure the Fool is dead?

There was a discussion on this.

I am, at least, leaning heavily "Yes."

 

[VashTheStampede]

I don't even remember why you wanted to do it honestly. We can talk about allowing the medium to revive evils but I can't think of a reason a medium would want to revive a proven wolf (even if coupled, like you were).

Does the reasoning really matter if it abides by rules as written?

 

[Dean]

You see, when Zell started this game, he said all roles were created equal. But you take a look at the players, and you can see that clearly isn't the case.

We got a 33 1/3 chance of getting a wolf. Holla if ya hear me.

 

[Raine]

Does the reasoning really matter if it abides by rules as written?

I would say that no, it doesn't.

Does it make the game more fun/interesting? Yes?

LET CHAOS ENSUE

 

[VashTheStampede]

Okay my sodium content has obviously reached dangerous levels. Gonna take a few, sorry about that y'all.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I feel like voting for Benzine, Alu, or TD.

We know Raine is the Ritualist... or well, "know" as much as you can in this game.

I know I'm the Beast Hunter, even if you guys don't believe me.

Smacktard and Benzine were kinda together on some shit.

Alu has been hard to trust. So has TD.

Alu, why don't you shoot either Benzine or TD tonight, assuming you have one of them targeted? And we can lynch the other.

Hopefully you are all correct that Local Hero was the Fool.

Well TD was dead so I definitely couldn't have targeted him.

Luckily, I went into today thinking the plan would be to lynch vash (who still has the "opposite team of ants" thing over their head from the cg check), who if proven to actually be the loudmouth would point out our potential last wolf. With the blind wolf out there, I was thinking it could have been benzine who got the RK knowledge that way instead of as Bell Ringer, so I shifted the target to him hoping vash would essentially give me the go ahead to shoot the face of a wolf. He still could actually be the Bell Ringer with you as alpha though

I'm down to lynch TD for a second day in a row and shoot Benzine tonight. I believe TD tricked Raine into reviving the Illusionist.

 

[Dean]

Okay my sodium content has obviously reached dangerous levels. Gonna take a few, sorry about that y'all.

LARGEST ARMS WITH THE SHORTEST FUSE

HAH? HAH? HAH? HAH?

 

[Zell 17]

Does the reasoning really matter if it abides by rules as written?

I gotta think about it. The "no reviving evils" rule is what prevents the medium from reviving players who are masked or wolf tricked or whatever. That's a big help to the baddies. I gotta consider if strengthening the medium even further, when the town has never lost a game, is good for balance.

 

[TD]

My brain has settled. It has to be that. TD was all over the place with claiming roles instead of just sticking to 1.

Obviously I'm fighting an uphill battle.

In a game with no protection roles and a Shaman that fucks with Auras, what claim should I go with?

I'm not gonna claim seer cause then I'm dead. So I went with Tough Guy, good aura and trying to avoid targets.

The illusionist gave no fucks or didn't pick up on that post.

Yesterday? I'll give you that. I was convinced I would be killed no matter what so I was scrambling to try to get as much info as possible. So I hinted Fool to see who would flinch and who wouldn't.

Could the wolves have faked flinching? For sure.

I honed in on you because like I said, night 3 evil read and you never flinched on the Fool claim.

 

[shortkut]

So how is the avenging business going? Or is it the flagging business?

I haven’t been bothered so I don’t have anything to avenge

 

[VashTheStampede]

For the record, if it would help in any way I am absolutely cool with being killed to use my wonderous and amazing power even with the Ritualist safety net gone. No Zombie Seer for me.

I dunno if we still have the numbers to make it work though so I'll just Farmer the rest of the game.

 

[Dean]

Well TD was dead so I definitely couldn't have targeted him.

Luckily, I went into today thinking the plan would be to lynch vash (who still has the "opposite team of ants" thing over their head from the cg check), who if proven to actually be the loudmouth would point out our potential last wolf. With the blind wolf out there, I was thinking it could have been benzine who got the RK knowledge that way instead of as Bell Ringer, so I shifted the target to him hoping vash would essentially give me the go ahead to shoot the face of a wolf. He still could actually be the Bell Ringer with you as alpha though

I'm down to lynch TD for a second day in a row and shoot Benzine tonight. I believe TD tricked Raine into reviving the Illusionist.

See, this is the kind of dumbness I've pointed out. I didn't think about you not being able to target TD last night.

Well, can the Ritualist revive TD again? I hope not.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

One wolf left, who has 2 lives. We can't let there be 2 night kills. A lynch of the wrong person today makes it 4-2 goods to evils before the night, and then 2-2 tomorrow. Game over town.

Vote TD...again

 

[TD]

One wolf left, who has 2 lives. We can't let there be 2 night kills. A lynch of the wrong person today makes it 4-2 goods to evils before the night, and then 2-2 tomorrow. Game over town.

Vote TD...again

No.

There's 2 wolves, 1 with 2 lives.

 

[Dean]

I hope you're planning to shoot a wolf tonight, Alu. I also hope you're right about only the alpha being left. It sounds like the Shaman Wolf is possibly still among us...

 

[shortkut]

I’m most suspicious of Alu and Benzine remaining.

Voting @Altoona Pizza until he provides a breakdown of his night actions to explain why he hasn’t shot anyone yet

 

[TD]

I'm fairly certain the Shaman Wolf is alive, FR was actually a priest, and Local was the fool after being in the dead thread.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

No.

There's 2 wolves, 1 with 2 lives.

How are you sure of that? If that's the case then there's currently 7 alive, with 3 of them being anti town, and one of them having 2 lives.

 

[Dean]

So we've got:

Alpha Wolf
Shaman Wolf
Illusionist

Ritualist
Avenger
Loudmouth
Beast Hunter

And we've got seven players.

So, Benzine, Alu, and TD are the Shaman, Alpha, and Illusionist.

We need to take out a wolf, guys.

 

[VashTheStampede]

I gotta think about it. The "no reviving evils" rule is what prevents the medium from reviving players who are masked or wolf tricked or whatever. That's a big help to the baddies. I gotta consider if strengthening the medium even further, when the town has never lost a game, is good for balance.

I think the Medium is in a fine place and doesn't need to be changed. I just think there should be rule consistency. We just need to keep adding words to these rules (preferably BETWEEN games and not midstream).

Like maybe after this game, let us know what happens if a Solo player is revived. Clearly something happens to a wolf if they are revived but does something happen to a solo role? No tellin'.

It's like why Tax Codes are so convolutedly written.

 

[Raine]

For the record, if it would help in any way I am absolutely cool with being killed to use my wonderous and amazing power even with the Ritualist safety net gone. No Zombie Seer for me.

I dunno if we still have the numbers to make it work though so I'll just Farmer the rest of the game.

There are 7 living players, for the moment. Someone is getting ganked by the Illusionist, hopefully a wolf.

There are 2 living wolves, because the only assumption that there were 2 before was because Tubby was confirmed as the Sheriff and "spotted" the Berserk Werewolf. Tubby lied and got lucky as a player, his role didn't kill Tommy.

Tommy is lying up and down the dead thread saying you (@VashTheStampede) and @Dean are wolves. I need to... evaluate things.

If I call Dean a liar and kill him, I am going to need someone to hold me back from tearing one or both of them a new asshole. I am, completely independent of this game, fucking livid.

 

[TD]

How are you sure of that? If that's the case then there's currently 7 alive, with 3 of them being anti town, and one of them having 2 lives.

Cause our whole theory of the Shaman Wolf being dead was based on Tubby actually telling the truth, which he didn't.

 

[shortkut]

I'm fairly certain the Shaman Wolf is alive, FR was actually a priest, and Local was the fool after being in the dead thread.

I need you and @Raine to do a lisr on who should be what role and which random roles are confirmed. I know I’m telling the truth, so if there are other random roles not confirmed 100%, they are targets

 

[Dean]

There are 7 living players, for the moment. Someone is getting ganked by the Illusionist, hopefully a wolf.

There are 2 living wolves, because the only assumption that there were 2 before was because Tubby was confirmed as the Sheriff and "spotted" the Berserk Werewolf. Tubby lied and got lucky as a player, his role didn't kill Tommy.

Tommy is lying up and down the dead thread saying you (@VashTheStampede) and @Dean are wolves. I need to... evaluate things.

If I call Dean a liar and kill him, I am going to need someone to hold me back from tearing one or both of them a new asshole. I am, completely independent of this game, fucking livid.

Please don't be this ridiculous, unless you've been lying this whole time and are not townie.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

I’m most suspicious of Alu and Benzine remaining.

Voting @Altoona Pizza until he provides a breakdown of his night actions to explain why he hasn’t shot anyone yet

Night 1 was a random target that I wasn't lucky on like Jawneh with his.

Night 2 I shifted to Dean because Raine was very convincing he was the alpha

Night 3 I shifted to Benzine without shooting because Dean's post convinced me he wasn't actually a wolf.

 

[TD]

I need you and @Raine to do a lisr on who should be what role and which random roles are confirmed. I know I’m telling the truth, so if there are other random roles not confirmed 100%, they are targets

@Raine
My dear ride or die, this is your department.

 

[Zell 17]

Votes to lynch (3 required):

Alu - 1 (shortkut)
TD - 1 (Alu)

No Vote - 5 (Benzine, Dean, Raine, TD, VashTheStampede)

Votes to skip (6 required):

No Vote - 7 (Alu, Benzine, Dean, Raine, shortkut, TD, VashTheStampede)

 

[shortkut]

Night 1 was a random target that I wasn't lucky on like Jawneh with his.

Night 2 I shifted to Dean because Raine was very convincing he was the alpha

Night 3 I shifted to Benzine without shooting because Dean's post convinced me he wasn't actually a wolf.

So you’re telling me you can shoot @Benzine tonight? Do it

 

[Dean]

Night 1 was a random target that I wasn't lucky on like Jawneh with his.

Night 2 I shifted to Dean because Raine was very convincing he was the alpha

Night 3 I shifted to Benzine without shooting because Dean's post convinced me he wasn't actually a wolf.

If you aren't the wolf and are the Marksman, that means either Vash isn't the loudmouth, shortkut isn't the avenger, or Raine isn't the ritualist.

If you are the Marksman, we need Benzine dead.

But I have a feeling that you and Benzine are the last two wolves. You are the Alpha (maybe your new name can be Alpha Wolf) and Benzine is the Shaman Wolf.

 

[A Maybe Baker]

So you’re telling me you can shoot @Benzine tonight? Do it

Yes. That's the plan.

But TD is still the illusionist and he needs to be dead for real this time.

 

[TD]

Well this is going just about how I expected.
What. A. Shit. Show.

 

[Dean]

If we lynch TD and there are two wolves left and we lose another townie, then it's 3 vs 2, with the Alpha being a big problem.

 

[Raine]

Well this is going just about how I expected.
What. A. Shit. Show.

You're on point, I'm over here fuming. I'll catch up Soon™.

 

[shortkut]

Yes. That's the plan.

But TD is still the illusionist and he needs to be dead for real this time.

Yes, but he needs to help us take out a wolf to have any chance of winning

 

[Dean]

It makes sense that Alu wants to focus on the Illusionist. The wolves can't kill him and he's their biggest threat. We kind of need the Illusionist to work with us.

 

[shortkut]

If we lynch TD and there are two wolves left and we lose another townie, then it's 3 vs 2, with the Alpha being a big problem.

We cannot win without the illusionist’s help. We don’t have enough night phases to kill 3 wolves. The illusionist cannot win while the wolves are alive because they outnumber him.

 

[VashTheStampede]

Alu and Benzine seemingly have to die

I'll start

Voting for Benzine